Supreme Court affirms right to gay marriage

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Like Hillary and our great leader King Obama, Boiler has evolved regarding his position on gay marriage. I would support such a vote if one was needed in Indiana. Boiler is also believer that the Constitution should be followed strictly, and that judges should not legislate from the bench. This issue should should be left to the states.

If judges can create law, why bother having a congress?



The majority of states legalized gay marriage. Why, then, is this a blow to democracy as stated by the dissenting judges? Furthermore, the Constitution serves to protect the minority from the will of the majority.

Congress creates laws. SCOTUS determines if those laws are in compliance with the Constitution.
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
In a truly legal sense, they didn't have much of a choice. The separate but equal bit has been tried and was proven to be a looser.

While the process was shortened considerably it was an outcome to be expected based upon the arguments. This should have been handled by the states, however they had to get the federal government involved and that's where the issue was certain to allow gay marriage. That's why the decent was so vocal, the court is not to create law but decide if the law passes Constitutional muster.

In this case, they created law.
Are you referring to:
  • 2015, Obergefell v. Hodges, which made same-sex marriage legal in all 50 states, or...
  • 1968, Loving v. Virginia, which made interracial marriage legal in all 50 states.

    Constitutional rights trump any law. I guess you didn't know that.
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    Originally posted by: thegreek
    Question that comes to mine is how do young children understand any of this?
    Easily. They understand that when two adults love each other, they can get married. It's nice. What's hard was explaining to them why two adults who love each other CAN'T get married. Fortunately we don't have that problem now.
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    Originally posted by: thegreek
    Who explains it to them?
    Their Mom. Their Dad. Their teacher. Their minister. Their friends. Their school bus driver. Pretty much everyone. Because it's really simple and obvious and easy.
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    Originally posted by: thegreek
    How do companies deal with the husband, wife benefit program?
    Easily. They provide benefits to spouses. That's how they do it now. That's how they'll continue to do it.
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    Originally posted by: thegreek
    My opinion is man and wife are man and woman end of conversation.
    Great! We will tolerate that! Easy peasy!
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    Originally posted by: thegreek
    The world is so screwed up now with drugs--murders, guns, and so many other things I guess people are just starting to accept anything that comes down the line.
    Marriage equality has nothing to do with drugs or murder or guns. You seem very troubled.
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    Originally posted by: thegreek
    You may say it an age gap but this was never accepted when I was in High School.
    Yeah, we've pretty much stopped not improving things because of how your high school worked.
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    Originally posted by: thegreek
    Laugh but it really sad that a man or a woman can not find a suitable mate.
    Today we're talking about people who HAVE found suitable mates.
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    Originally posted by: thegreek
    Today we are at the palce if we don't agree with something we just turn our heads and continue to move on.
    Welcome to the concept of tolerance!






    DonDiego is hopeful that the expanding tolerance/acceptance shown to homosexual-couples, by the courts and the population generally, is reciprocated with a tolerance of those officials who's religious beliefs, f'rinstance, forbid them from marrying a same-sex couple.

    Perhaps if everybody just put a little effort into trying to get along with one another, instead of forcing one's beliefs on someone else, . . . life would be a mite better for everybody.

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    Originally posted by: DonDiego
    DonDiego is hopeful that the expanding tolerance/acceptance shown to homosexual-couples, by the courts and the population generally, is reciprocated with a tolerance of those officials who's religious beliefs, f'rinstance, forbid them from marrying a same-sex couple...
    Nope. And if they can't do the government job they were hired to do, they should quit. Or DonDiego, based on religious beliefs, should they be able to refuse interracial couples? Or interfaith couples? Or atheists? Or satanists? Or couples that have no intention of having children?

    From the trial judge who was overturned in Loving v. Virginia, the Supreme Court case that made interracial marriage legal in all 50 states:

    "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."

    Religious assholes are still pulling that shit.
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    Originally posted by: DonDiego
    DonDiego is hopeful that the expanding tolerance/acceptance shown to homosexual-couples, by the courts and the population generally, is reciprocated with a tolerance of those officials who's religious beliefs, f'rinstance, forbid them from marrying a same-sex couple.
    Tolerance for government officials who, in fulfilling the obligations of their office, want to unilaterally impose their religous beliefs on others? Not going to happen.

    Religious people who choose to be government officials have to accept that their choice requires them to do so without regard to their religion's dictates.

    Our police departments aren't going to retain cops who refuse to associate with non-Christians. 2 John 1:10. The job of a cop is to deal with all sorts of people, not just Christians. Don't be a cop if you don't want to associate with people of different faiths.

    Our fire departments aren't going to retain firemen who refuse to douse the burning homes of non-believers. Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT. The job of a fireman is to put out fires. We're not going to let rogue firemen refuse to put out the fires of people who have a different faith.

    Our court systems aren't going to retain clerks who refuse to process divorce applications. Matthew 19:6. The job of a court clerk is to process paperwork as our laws require. We're not going to let rogue clerks who think that Man must not separate marriages joined by the Lord God hisself refuse to advance the divorce applications of people who share a different faith.

    Look how hard Double D is trying to frustrate yesterday's great victory for civil rights. Clearly he hasn't put much thought into this roadblock of his.
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    Originally posted by: forkushV
    Religious assholes are still pulling that shit.

    DonDiego is pleased to be informed of forkushV's level of tolerance of those who hold beliefs not in accordance with his own. It's refreshing that he doesn't hold back.

    DonDiego opines it is not a good thing for the Government to force all people to do things they do not wish to do.

    DonDiego is also of the opinion that a "right" cannot impose an obligation on someone else, especially an obligation directly in contradiction to fervently held beliefs.

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    DonDiego is pleased to be informed of Chilcoot's level of tolerance of those who hold beliefs not in accordance with his own. It's refreshing that he doesn't hold back.

    Is a Catholic Priest a Government Official ?
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    Originally posted by: DonDiego
    DonDiego is also of the opinion that a "right" cannot impose an obligation on someone else, especially an obligation directly in contradiction to fervently held beliefs.
    The hell it can't. See my post above.
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    Originally posted by: DonDiego
    Is a Catholic Priest a Government Official ?
    Playing dumb should be below you.
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    Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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    Originally posted by: DonDiego
    Is a Catholic Priest a Government Official ?
    Playing dumb should be below you.
    DonDiego was not intending to play dumb.
    For the record, DonDiego has not yet found anything below him.

    DonDiego will rephrase the question:
    Is a Catholic Priest or a Mormon Priest or an Islamic Imam permitted to refuse to marry a homosexual couple ?

    And if they are obligated to do so and refuse, what is the punishment ?
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