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That Obstruction You See …

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Boilerman

Feb 13, 2016
10:42pm

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I'm certain that the Democrats would never stoop to such actions.

pjstroh

Feb 13, 2016
10:58pm

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Most pollster's predict the Democrats will retake the Senate in 2016. That's not a political statement - its just not a good year for Republicans. There's a lot more of them up for re-election in 2016. Dems only need to pick up 4. If the GOP sets a precedent for obstructing a justice now...then Democrats will have every excuse to do it in the next term. I'd prefer we don't set these kinds of precedents of obstruction.

Republicans Senators in Blue/Purple States up for re-election in 2016:
Mark Kirk - IL
Chuck Grassley - IA
Kelly Ayotte - NH
Richard Burr - NC
Rob Portman - OH
Pat Toomey - PA
Ron Johnson - WI
Marco Rubio - FL - not running
Roy Blunt - MO

pjstroh

Feb 13, 2016
11:01pm

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Originally posted by: jatki99

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Its going to be interesting how it plays out. Republicans clearly don't want Obama to pick Scalia's replacement...but if they deny him then they enforce their reputation for being obstructionists ....in an election year. It will be easy for Mitch McConnell to say no. Its going to be much harder for Reoublican Senators in Blue states up for re-election to also say no. Pat Toomey, Kelley Ayotte, and about 10 others.

I predict a deal for a true moderate replacement will be made before the general election starts in full force..

Pretty much what I was thinking except for someone actually getting confirmed. If the Obama does put up a moderate I could see the senate confirming just for the reason you cited. I don't see him picking anyone other than a liberal, love to see him prove me wrong.

I also don't want a "liberal" or a "conservative". Its important the SUpreme Court maintain the respect of the people as being a politically impartial body to settle the politically partial arguments set before it.

alanleroyII

Feb 13, 2016
11:22pm

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Originally posted by: forkushV

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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: malibber2
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Of course there won't. The Huff post? C'mon.

You can read the direct quotes. Mitch MooConnell is already saying Republicans won't fulfill their Constitutional duty and confirm a replacement. Must be nice to announce you are not going to do your job for the next year and still draw a pay check.

I think it should be up to the next pres. for the nomination.
If the Dems had majority with a sitting rep. president and the elections were around the corner, you know as well as everyone else there'd be no way in hell anyone got confirmed to the SC now...

The last time it happened was in the election year of 1988. President Reagan's nominee, Anthony Kennedy, was confirmed on February 3, 1988, 97-0.

Kind of an ironic example. Kennedy was not Reagan's first choice. His first choice (strict constitutionalist Bork) was rejected 58-42 by the Senate after months of partisan wrangling.

The Senate should vote on every Obama nomination after due diligence. If they reject the candidate they ARE doing their job. Their job is not to rubber stamp an appointment if they have issues with him or her. It's President Obama's job to appoint someone who will pass Senate muster.

In this environment that might even mean consulting with the Senate Judiciary Committee and working with Republicans to find another Anthony Kennedy who might be acceptable to both. It's called Advice and Consent of the Senate. If the advice part doesn't happen this time it's unlikely the consent will either. Come on President Obama...Reach out to Republicans and work together to select a new Supreme!

alanleroyII

Feb 13, 2016
11:29pm

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Originally posted by: malibber2

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Originally posted by: billryan
What excuse will they use?

That he is a communist, liberal, fascist, black panther, Nazi, Muslim and part of or supportive of the black radical Christian liberation movement. Worst of all he wants to take your guns away and enact sharia law.

Oh, and he likes to hang out with Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright in his spare time.

It will probably look something like this:

"President Obama is still our president. But he should not be able to reach out from the muck of his IRS scandal, reach into the muck of the Benghazi scandal and impose his reactionary vision of the Constitution on the Supreme Court and the next generation of Americans. No justice would be better than this injustice."

Boilerman

Feb 14, 2016
12:03am

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PJ, you and I know that the Democrats would obstruct regardless of the GOP actions. The Dems have played dirty pool under Obama, and the Republicans are taking the gloves off and returning the favor. Get used to it.

Hell, what to see what happens if Trump wins the General election after Hillary is indicted.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Most pollster's predict the Democrats will retake the Senate in 2016. That's not a political statement - its just not a good year for Republicans. There's a lot more of them up for re-election in 2016. Dems only need to pick up 4. If the GOP sets a precedent for obstructing a justice now...then Democrats will have every excuse to do it in the next term. I'd prefer we don't set these kinds of precedents of obstruction.

Republicans Senators in Blue/Purple States up for re-election in 2016:
Mark Kirk - IL
Chuck Grassley - IA
Kelly Ayotte - NH
Richard Burr - NC
Rob Portman - OH
Pat Toomey - PA
Ron Johnson - WI
Marco Rubio - FL - not running
Roy Blunt - MO

pjstroh

Feb 14, 2016
12:46am

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Its funny watching Boilerman defend and blast scummy behavior in the same post.

Politically speaking there's only three potential outcomes unless by some miracle republicans win both the presidency and the Senate in the upcoming election....which nobody expects.

1). Obama and the GOP senate agree on a moderate justice now
2) republican president and democrat Senate agree on a moderate justice in 2017
3) Democrat president and Democrat Senate pick a liberal justice in 2017

(3) would be a nightmare scenario for conservatives everywhere. Lets see if republicans really want to roll those dice. I suspect they dont.

Boilerman

Feb 14, 2016
1:19am

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Hillary's indictment will lead to the GOP controlling everything. I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I believe that's the most likely outcome.

Boiler doesn't like scummy political behavior, but believes that it's the only way for the Republicans to compete with the scummy Democrats. You guys started it. I hope that Trump wins and uses executive orders each day of the year. You guys started it, so be careful what you wish for.

If a Republican wins the presidency, I suspect I can finally get an answer from PJ on limits to presidential executive orders. Suddenly PJ will decide that there are limitations.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Its funny watching Boilerman defend and blast scummy behavior in the same post.

Politically speaking there's only three potential outcomes unless by some miracle republicans win both the presidency and the Senate in the upcoming election....which nobody expects.

1). Obama and the GOP senate agree on a moderate justice now
2) republican president and democrat Senate agree on a moderate justice in 2017
3) Democrat president and Democrat Senate pick a liberal justice in 2017

(3) would be a nightmare scenario for conservatives everywhere. Lets see if republicans really want to roll those dice. I suspect they dont.

alanleroyII

Feb 14, 2016
1:32am

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It wouldn't be a 'miracle' for Republicans to maintain control of the Senate. Democrats have lost the House, The Senate, and over 900 State Legislative Seats since 2008. A lot will depend on voter turnout.

jatki

Feb 14, 2016
2:03am

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Hillary's indictment will lead to the GOP controlling everything. I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I believe that's the most likely outcome.

Boiler doesn't like scummy political behavior, but believes that it's the only way for the Republicans to compete with the scummy Democrats. You guys started it. I hope that Trump wins and uses executive orders each day of the year. You guys started it, so be careful what you wish for.

If a Republican wins the presidency, I suspect I can finally get an answer from PJ on limits to presidential executive orders. Suddenly PJ will decide that there are limitations.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Its funny watching Boilerman defend and blast scummy behavior in the same post.

Politically speaking there's only three potential outcomes unless by some miracle republicans win both the presidency and the Senate in the upcoming election....which nobody expects.

1). Obama and the GOP senate agree on a moderate justice now
2) republican president and democrat Senate agree on a moderate justice in 2017
3) Democrat president and Democrat Senate pick a liberal justice in 2017

(3) would be a nightmare scenario for conservatives everywhere. Lets see if republicans really want to roll those dice. I suspect they dont.

"You guys started it", "You guys started it" C'mon boiler, you see how childish that sounds?

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