They got it right on the 4th of July



Henderson: Despite differences, America is still united

By Joe Henderson | Tribune Staff
Published: July 4, 2013


It was a moment in time that changed the world. The resolution for independence was approved on July 2 and revised on July 4. It was read publicly on July 8, along with the ringing of the Liberty Bell.


Nothing has been the same since then.


Key among the many things the founding fathers embraced was the notion that all people were equal and should have a voice.


Getting there was messy, though. For instance, Jefferson and John Adams didn't like each other a bit, but both still signed a document that could have gotten them hanged.


I think the founders would have liked a lot of what they see today, even as contentious as it often is. They would have liked the tea party, I think. They would have liked that one party controls the U.S. House of Representatives while a different one controls the U.S. Senate.


They would have liked that the Supreme Court was making decisions on important issues based on the justices' interpretation of the law. They would have liked the differences of the South and North. They would have loved the debates on guns and schools.


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They wouldn't have expected us always to agree, which is why we have freedom of speech. I believe they envisioned an America where citizens would argue positions with unrestrained passion, and then gather together around a common flag to celebrate our unity.


They wouldn't have liked how our leaders spend so much time spying on and battling with other countries. They really wouldn't have liked how much the central government knows about the private lives of its citizens. As a nation, though, we are still relatively young. We will figure it out.


So grill your hot dogs today and play "The Stars and Stripes Forever" real loud. Watch the ballgames and fireworks shows, and celebrate the greatest land ever created.


And remember a time when determined men came together in Philadelphia to create the United States of America.


They got it right.

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Not very accurate on history. At the time of the Declaration, Jefferson and Adams were admirers of each other, and just after the war, Jefferson practically became an uncle to John Quincy. Later they had a huge falling out, but near the end of their lives they wrote very warm letters to each other. They both died on July 4, 1826, and John Quincy Adams joined the party of Jefferson, not his father's.

And that part about how "the founding fathers embraced was the notion that all people were equal." The author didn't get that right either.
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Not very accurate on history. At the time of the Declaration, Jefferson and Adams were admirers of each other, and just after the war, Jefferson practically became an uncle to John Quincy. Later they had a huge falling out, but near the end of their lives they wrote very warm letters to each other. They both died on July 4, 1826, and John Quincy Adams joined the party of Jefferson, not his father's.

And that part about how "the founding fathers embraced was the notion that all people were equal." The author didn't get that right either.


Just out of curiosity what line of work are you in?
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Not very accurate on history. At the time of the Declaration, Jefferson and Adams were admirers of each other, and just after the war, Jefferson practically became an uncle to John Quincy. Later they had a huge falling out, but near the end of their lives they wrote very warm letters to each other. They both died on July 4, 1826, and John Quincy Adams joined the party of Jefferson, not his father's.

And that part about how "the founding fathers embraced was the notion that all people were equal." The author didn't get that right either.


Just out of curiosity what line of work are you in?
Bullshit Detector. And I write a little code on the side.

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Not very accurate on history. At the time of the Declaration, Jefferson and Adams were admirers of each other, and just after the war, Jefferson practically became an uncle to John Quincy. Later they had a huge falling out, but near the end of their lives they wrote very warm letters to each other. They both died on July 4, 1826, and John Quincy Adams joined the party of Jefferson, not his father's.

And that part about how "the founding fathers embraced was the notion that all people were equal." The author didn't get that right either.


Just out of curiosity what line of work are you in?
Bullshit Detector. And I write a little code on the side.


I figured you had to have something to do with engineering. I used to teach engineers. I remember you had better have your facts straight and if you threw out a generic statement such as 80% of OSHA laws are good you would get into a 45 minute discussion of how you arrived at that number. One guy told me you just can't throw that out there and not be able to back it up, I told him sure I can I just did it. It was hilarious how flustered he got not realizing it was just some firefighter fucking with him.

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Just out of curiosity what line of work are you in?
Bullshit Detector.

One best detects that which one also creates.



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Not very accurate on history. At the time of the Declaration, Jefferson and Adams were admirers of each other, and just after the war, Jefferson practically became an uncle to John Quincy. Later they had a huge falling out, but near the end of their lives they wrote very warm letters to each other. They both died on July 4, 1826, and John Quincy Adams joined the party of Jefferson, not his father's.

And that part about how "the founding fathers embraced was the notion that all people were equal." The author didn't get that right either.


Just out of curiosity what line of work are you in?
Bullshit Detector. And I write a little code on the side.


I figured you had to have something to do with engineering. I used to teach engineers. I you had better have your facts straight and if you threw out a generic statement such as 80% of OSHA laws are good you would get into a 45 minute discussion of how you arrived at that number. One guy told me you just can't throw that out there and not be able to back it up, I told him sure I can I just did it. It was hilarious how flustered he got not realizing it was just some firefighter fucking with him.
Engineers don't like firefighters, because firefighters get all the chicks.

Chicks prefer a badge to pocket protectors.
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Chicks prefer a badge to pocket protectors.
Speaking of protection:

Q. What do computer programmers use for birth control?

A. Their personalities.

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Not very accurate on history. At the time of the Declaration, Jefferson and Adams were admirers of each other, and just after the war, Jefferson practically became an uncle to John Quincy. Later they had a huge falling out, but near the end of their lives they wrote very warm letters to each other. They both died on July 4, 1826, and John Quincy Adams joined the party of Jefferson, not his father's.

And that part about how "the founding fathers embraced was the notion that all people were equal." The author didn't get that right either.


Just out of curiosity what line of work are you in?
Bullshit Detector. And I write a little code on the side.


I figured you had to have something to do with engineering. I used to teach engineers. I you had better have your facts straight and if you threw out a generic statement such as 80% of OSHA laws are good you would get into a 45 minute discussion of how you arrived at that number. One guy told me you just can't throw that out there and not be able to back it up, I told him sure I can I just did it. It was hilarious how flustered he got not realizing it was just some firefighter fucking with him.
Engineers don't like firefighters, because firefighters get all the chicks.


I thought it was supposed to be astronauts got all of the women? At least the commercial for AXE states that.

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