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O2bnVegas
O2bnVegas
Jan 24, 2016
6:36am
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Originally posted by: jatki99
It's what I've been in favor of since this whole ACA disaster has gone into affect. Canada did it pretty simply, why can't we? I think the option to purchase private insurance should always be available to those who want tho.


Canada didn't "do it", it started out that way, as in England. And their forms of government aren't democratic. The kings and queens decide. Maybe they are smarter than "we the people." Maybe they are less influenced by the forces at large (Medical Society, Pharmaceuticals, Bankers, Insurers). I wouldn't be surprised.





malibber2
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Jan 24, 2016
7:14am
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Originally posted by: billryan
This past Sunday GOP frontrunner Donald Trump appeared on CBS’ 60 Minutes for a one-on-one interview with Scott Pelley about the state of the race and to discuss Trump’s specific positions on certain issues. The most enlightening moment came when the discussion turned to healthcare and Trump had the opportunity to excoriate Obamacare (rightly).

“Obamacare’s going to be repealed and replaced. Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what’s going on with premiums where they’re up 40, 50, 55 percent,” Trump told Pelley.

However, instead of then arguing that we should repeal Obamacare and return our nation to a free market based healthcare alternative, Trump actually said that he believed Obamacare wasn’t socialist enough and that the government had to completely take over the healthcare industry!

Donald Trump: “Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, ‘No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private.’ But…”

Scott Pelley: “Universal Healthcare?”

Donald Trump: “I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

Scott Pelley: “But who’s going to pay for it?”

Donald Trump: “The government’s gonna pay for it. But we’re going to save so much money on the other side!”


This is the interesting thing. Trump is to the left of Hillary on healthcare, free trade and social security. Trump is trying really hard to earn my vote.

Don
Don
Jan 24, 2016
8:43am
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Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
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Originally posted by: jatki99
It's what I've been in favor of since this whole ACA disaster has gone into affect. Canada did it pretty simply, why can't we? I think the option to purchase private insurance should always be available to those who want tho.


Canada didn't "do it", it started out that way, as in England. And their forms of government aren't democratic. The kings and queens decide. Maybe they are smarter than "we the people." Maybe they are less influenced by the forces at large (Medical Society, Pharmaceuticals, Bankers, Insurers). I wouldn't be surprised.

Indeed, . . . a monarchy, . . . in the United States, . . .

Just imagine, . . . "King DonDiego I". What a marvelous place this could be.

BobOrme
BobOrme
Jan 24, 2016
8:59am
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Scott Pelley: “But who’s going to pay for it?”
Donald Trump: “The government’s gonna pay for it. But we’re going to save so much money on the other side!”

In poor old DonDiego's experience "the government's gonna pay for it" means his taxes increase.

In poor old DonDiego's experience "we're going to save so much money on the other side" means "we don't save money", and DonDiego's taxes go up and the deficit rises too.

DonDiego has heard nice things about living in Panama and Chile, . . .
Anybody have any experience?


The government pays for your healthcare in those countries.

Both Sanders and Trump are calling for single payer healthcare. Conservatives call Sanders a socialist while embracing Donald Trump. Funny, aint it?

What conservatives are "embracing" Trump?

And, Øbama told us all that the ACA was working great in his SOTH address. If that was true, why would every candidate running for President eliminate it or make drastic changes to it? ....a clue, it was written to fail.

BobOrme
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Jan 24, 2016
9:25am
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Originally posted by: DonDiegoDonDiego has heard nice things about living in Panama and Chile, . . .
Anybody have any experience?
The government pays for your healthcare in those countries.

Yeah, . . . but maybe the people are nicer.


You may be right about that.

I'm not aware of a political party in either country that is angry and frightened by immigrants who look different and speak a different language. Very likely DonDiego would be more welcomed there than those natives would be here.

I'm not aware of any significant legal or illegal immigration surges into either of those countries. They don't, at least for now, have to worry about people coming into their countries that come from other regions that have promoted death to their respective countries.

I've been to Panama, wouldn't want to live there. I have relatives who have visited Chile, wouldn't want to visit there, much less live there. I've also been to Costa Rica, the Bahamas and Belize. I would chose Belize if I was going to leave America. and it wouldn't have anything to do with what the government would give me for just existing within their borders.
pjstroh
pjstroh
Jan 24, 2016
10:50am
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Originally posted by: BobOrme[/iWhat conservatives are "embracing" Trump?


According to the most recent polls - 40% of them.

I'm going to enjoy watching FOX News defend a single payer healthcare platform.. It'll be almost as funny as watching them denounce Mitt Romney's healthcare plan when Obama implemented it.
BobOrme
BobOrme
Jan 24, 2016
11:48am
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Originally posted by: BobOrme[/iWhat conservatives are "embracing" Trump?


According to the most recent polls - 40% of them.

I'm going to enjoy watching FOX News defend a single payer healthcare platform.. It'll be almost as funny as watching them denounce Mitt Romney's healthcare plan when Obama implemented it.

You. and most liberals, are unable to understand that being a conservative and being a Republican are not always the same thing. I'm a conservative, and a registered Republican. I need to register with a party to participate in the primary process. Trump is not a conservative.

Your "most recent polls" link is meaningless if you think that it only represents conservatives. It'd be like saying a poll on the Democrat side only represents liberals, when it would also represent communists, socialists, Marxists, and most anarchists.
hoops2
hoops2
Jan 24, 2016
8:46pm
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"I'm not aware of a political party in either country that is angry and frightened by immigrants who look different and speak a different language"

No party is against legal immigration; however only the democrats are in favor of illegal immigration & to allow immigigrants from terrorist countries without background checks.

Don
Don
Jan 24, 2016
10:16pm
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I'm not aware of a political party in either country that is angry and frightened by immigrants who look different and speak a different language. Very likely DonDiego would be more welcomed there than those natives would be here.

DonDiego is unaware of a political party in the USA which is "angry and frightened by immigrants who look different and speak a different language."

DonDiego is neither angry nor frightened by an immigrant's appearance or language, although he would like newcomers to the USA to learn English for everyone's mutual benefit.

DonDiego is, however, concerned with immigrants whose intentions may not coincide with betterment of themselves or their new host countries. Or, indeed, those who may have malicious intentions toward their new state.

Because of such concerns, as well as other practical matters, the USA enacted Immigration Laws to protect its citizens. DonDiego suggests they not be relaxed, . . . and given the present conditions in the Middle East, they be rigorously enforced.

DonDiego counsels those gentle, sympathetic souls who favor open-borders to consider the present unpleasantness unfolding in Europe, . . . and the response:
Ref: "More European nations are barring their doors to migrants" - The Washington Post .

Bottom Line: European countries are regretting their decision to open their borders to "all-comers"; not everyone in the world has good intentions.
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