TSA

The TSA has really messed things up at the MSP airport and I don't see any relief in sight...what a joke. I fly out of Minneapolis 5 to 6 times a year so I went and filled out the TSA pre-check application and made an appointment for next Monday. Fortunately, there is an office in my home town; just a 10 minute drive from my house. Now I just have to dig around in my desk and find my birth certificate. Will let you know about the process after I see the TSA people on Monday.
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I can care less if the people feeling me up at the airport are public union members or Haliburton scabs. Regardless of how it manifests itself - the extra people are going to require more tax dollars to pay for them.

Contrary to the opinion of our board's libertarian wing, public services do cost money. Real money. What do you say to people who want to cut funding to the TSA - and demand more screeners at the airport?

Contrary to our board's big government wing, sometimes you can save money by outsourcing things our Federal Government does inefficiently. Real money.


Show me a government contractor that's not fleecing tax payers and I'll show you ten that are. I'm not proud to say I've worked for some of them.

But like I said, I don't have an ideological horse in the game beyond understanding that more people = more money.

By the way, the securitiy fee does not go to the TSA. It goes into Federal coffers, with about half going elsewhere. When the fee went up a few years ago, Paul Ryan insisted that 75% of that increase go to other programs. If the TSA wants an additional dollar per passenger, the increase to the ticket would be four dollars.
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Originally posted by: billryan
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: billryan
Does air traffic increase during the summer? Do you really need a congressional investigation to look into it? On the one hand you want to cut wasteful spending but then you call for another wasteful investigation.
Doesn't the TSA know that air traffic increases in the summer? Shouldn't they have anticipated that? Can't they move people from airports that are less busy to the ones that are bottlenecked? Why can't they add part-timers during peak periods?

You know they charge security taxes on every airline ticket sold. You'd think that their revenue would automatically increase when more people are traveling....because Taxes on Every Airline Ticket Sold. Maybe it's time to outsource some if this...and get a little healthy competition for our Transportation Security.


Yes, remove people from a less crowded airport like Buffalo to the more crowded ones like Chicago. It might increase the person's commute, but check, it's work.
Okay, so then let's hire extra part timers. Great.By the time they are recruited back ground checked and trained, the summer will be half over.
Okay then. Let's outsource it. Who doesn't want to put their and their nations safety in the hands of the lowest bidder.
There are a hundred other airports in Illinois. I'd take TSA agents just standing around there and make them help eliminate the bottlenecks in Chicago. I can understand why the Federal Government would try to move them from Buffalo though.

Also, you don't want to hire part timers to eliminate the bottlenecks because 'the summer would be half over' before they were background checked and trained. You're probably right about that.....because it's the Federal Government doing the background checking and training. Doesn't that mean you think this problem will take half the summer to solve anyway....since you'll have the same problem with full time or part time employees?

What ever happened to our Can Do attitude?....Government Thinking....at its finest. We put a man on the moon for crying out loud. We can't figure out how to anticipate and plan for the security workload at a few airports?

That's why there should be competition for these functions. There is no reason the Federal Government needs to be a monopoly in providing Airport Security. If they can do it cheaper and better...then fine. But it's just not working out that way. That's why the 22 airports Don Diego pointed out have switched to Private Security. Perhaps you can explain why none of those airports are experiencing the same breakdowns as the ones with TSA security?

And as to the comment 'Who doesn't want to put their and their nations safety in the hands of the lowest bidder'....How about this question 'Who wants to spend a lot more money for the exact same job?". Not me.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I can care less if the people feeling me up at the airport are public union members or Haliburton scabs. Regardless of how it manifests itself - the extra people are going to require more tax dollars to pay for them.

Contrary to the opinion of our board's libertarian wing, public services do cost money. Real money. What do you say to people who want to cut funding to the TSA - and demand more screeners at the airport?

Contrary to our board's big government wing, sometimes you can save money by outsourcing things our Federal Government does inefficiently. Real money.


Show me a government contractor that's not fleecing tax payers and I'll show you ten that are. I'm not proud to say I've worked for some of them.

But like I said, I don't have an ideological horse in the game beyond understanding that more people = more money.
There are also Government Operations that are terribly inefficient and wasteful. I see it most every day. Sometimes I see 10 people doing the work of 5 in like size entities. Maybe they don't need more people, but better processes or management. Maybe they could replace overpaid people with people that have the same skills but get paid less.

Just throwing money at a problem isn't generally the best solution, but it most always helps to cover up the real issues....for awhile. I've got a feeling we're going to need a bigger rat hole.
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Originally posted by: billryan
By the way, the securitiy fee does not go to the TSA. It goes into Federal coffers, with about half going elsewhere. When the fee went up a few years ago, Paul Ryan insisted that 75% of that increase go to other programs. If the TSA wants an additional dollar per passenger, the increase to the ticket would be four dollars.
Yeah...well that's just wrong. Fees for Airport Security should finance Airport Security.

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII

Just throwing money at a problem isn't generally the best solution, but it most always helps to cover up the real issues....for awhile. I've got a feeling we're going to need a bigger rat hole.


"Throwing money at a problem" is exactly what happens every time the government hires BlackRock to provide security for prisons, or Haliburton to charge $8 for a can of Coke, or Accenture to build a non-functioning website, or Lockheed Martin to build jets the defense department doesn't want.

Picking sides in the "public vs private" employee debate doesn't have any real statistical merit when it comes to cost. And its largely beneath anyone who would claim to be a centrist.



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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII

Just throwing money at a problem isn't generally the best solution, but it most always helps to cover up the real issues....for awhile. I've got a feeling we're going to need a bigger rat hole.


"Throwing money at a problem" is exactly what happens every time the government hires BlackRock to provide security for prisons, or Haliburton to charge $8 for a can of Coke, or Accenture to build a non-functioning website, or Lockheed Martin to build jets the defense department doesn't want.

Picking sides in the "public vs private" employee debate doesn't have any real statistical merit when it comes to cost. And its largely beneath anyone who would claim to be a centrist.
I'm a Non-Partisan...which means I actually Blame George W. Bush and the Republicans for creating the TSA debacle and President Obama for perpetuating it...I try to evaluate the issues on the merits rather than the party. To your off-topic points of government contractor rip-offs, I would argue that the military industrial complex is totally corrupt and like many areas of the Federal Government could be greatly cut without much impact to our national defense capability. Is that a Centrist position? More like common sense.

As to Public vs Private....I said 'let them compete'. "If the Feds can do it cheaper or better that's fine"....They seem to be failing though. Apparently the airports get to choose which model they want...Federal or Private. I expect more will choose the Private model that actually seems to be working better than the TSA. What's wrong with that? And it seems perfectly non-partisan. Let them compete and may the team with best, most cost effective solution that meets all the requirements win. I suspect it won't be the team with the 3 mile lines, but you never know....
Force everyone to Check their bags. Sit on the damn plane and shut up.

Do not talk, DO not turn around, DO not look at anyone.

easy peasy lemon squeezy
"I actually Blame George W. Bush and the Republicans for the TSA debacle"

The TSA was created with near unanimous support from Congress
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