TSA

Anyone who doesn't understand that some of the delays, especially in Chicago, are because TSA employees are doing what they can to cause problems. They are looking for negotiating clout.

Replace them all with private company employees. If that company fails, they will be fired..............and everyone, including the employees would know it. It's quite motivational.
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"I actually Blame George W. Bush and the Republicans for the TSA debacle"

The TSA was created with near unanimous support from Congress
1 Month after 9/11. Maybe nationalizing Airport Security using a Federal Workforce wasn't the best approach. Many countries have embraced private security for airport screening....including Canada. Remind me why wouldn't we want to have some healthy competition for our airport security dollars?

The head of the TSA suggests that the airlines stop charging bag fees so everyone would check their bags. What a novel idea - I and the millions of people who have been and are being ripped off are all for it.
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"I actually Blame George W. Bush and the Republicans for the TSA debacle"

The TSA was created with near unanimous support from Congress
1 Month after 9/11. Maybe nationalizing Airport Security using a Federal Workforce wasn't the best approach. Many countries have embraced private security for airport screening....including Canada. Remind me why wouldn't we want to have some healthy competition for our airport security dollars?


Everyone likes to GENERALIZE (slam) about the "Federal Workforce", that all are worthless.
Just like in the private sector, 1-2% of bad apples causes the most problems, and certainly takes up 50% of management time to investigate bad performance/conduct and take action.
The rest (Fed) are hardworking employees dedicated to doing a good job.
Even private industry screeners would have their rules to follow.
If Chicago experiences a "slow-down" among their screeners, somebody there could take action to correct that.

If AIRLINES would enforce their so-called CARRY-ON SIZE restrictions, the lines would go much faster. But they don't, and that pisses me off.
More huge bags to screen = slower movement = slower lines.
I want to scream when people ahead of me have multiple large bags, which not only take longer to pass through screening, but take longer to cram into the overhead (while I stand waiting to get to a seat), and then retrieve them after landing. I've always wished airlines would comply with their own rules on that.

I understand people don't wish to wait for their bags at baggage claim. But that process (getting bags to the carousel faster) could surely be improved.

But, like everything else, we don't know the challenges of other people's jobs and what standards they are held to. I'm amazed every time I get flown across the country in record time, and there are my bags too. Great job overall by everyone. Most processes can be improved, that's all.

American Airlines is taking steps.
https://www.businessinsider.com/american-airlines-tsa-2016-5

Pay the $85?
Like I said earlier, I flew out of NYC in March (Easter week; a busy period) & the lines were normal. Two months later we have several hour waits. Has air traffic suddenly doubled? No, something else is a factor & nobody is looking into it, just dump some money on the problem.
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Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"I actually Blame George W. Bush and the Republicans for the TSA debacle"

The TSA was created with near unanimous support from Congress
1 Month after 9/11. Maybe nationalizing Airport Security using a Federal Workforce wasn't the best approach. Many countries have embraced private security for airport screening....including Canada. Remind me why wouldn't we want to have some healthy competition for our airport security dollars?


Everyone likes to GENERALIZE (slam) about the "Federal Workforce", that all are worthless.
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I didn't say they are all worthless. I said there should be healthy competition for those jobs between the Government and Private Security. What's wrong with that? Whenever you just hand over a job to an individual or a company or a group without any competition, you rarely get the best and most cost effective solutions....But if you want some specific examples of TSA Fail...

TSA Spent 160 Million on Scanners with 95% Failure Rate

TSA Hasn't improved after failing 95% of security tests

Note these are two distinct issues reported. The first is related to scanning machines purchased that just don't work. The second was a result of secret testing that was performed in 2015 where Homeland Security Agents tried to smuggle fake weapons and bombs onto planes. They found widespread problems in every airport tested and got past TSA screening 95% of the time.

In my opinion this is far worse than unacceptable airport lines. They weren't even meeting their mission 95% of the time for years...and no one said a word about it. Does that make you feel better about the Federal Workers just doin' their jobs?

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"I actually Blame George W. Bush and the Republicans for the TSA debacle"

The TSA was created with near unanimous support from Congress
1 Month after 9/11. Maybe nationalizing Airport Security using a Federal Workforce wasn't the best approach. Many countries have embraced private security for airport screening....including Canada. Remind me why wouldn't we want to have some healthy competition for our airport security dollars?


Everyone likes to GENERALIZE (slam) about the "Federal Workforce", that all are worthless.
.
I didn't say they are all worthless. I said there should be healthy competition for those jobs between the Government and Private Security. What's wrong with that? Whenever you just hand over a job to an individual or a company or a group without any competition, you rarely get the best and most cost effective solutions....But if you want some specific examples of TSA Fail...

TSA Spent 160 Million on Scanners with 95% Failure Rate

TSA Hasn't improved after failing 95% of security tests

In my opinion this is far worse than unacceptable airport lines. They weren't even meeting their mission 95% of the time for years...and no one said a word about it. Does that make you feel better the Federal Workers just doin' their jobs?


Were the scanners developed and manufactured by public TSA workers? Or a good-ole, free market government contractor like you promote so generously? And how exactly would a private sector screener know if the scanners worked any better than a public employee?

The boards biggest centrist cant bring himself to even assign blame to the proper people at the heart of his own complaint. Thanks for proving what we already know.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"I actually Blame George W. Bush and the Republicans for the TSA debacle"

The TSA was created with near unanimous support from Congress
1 Month after 9/11. Maybe nationalizing Airport Security using a Federal Workforce wasn't the best approach. Many countries have embraced private security for airport screening....including Canada. Remind me why wouldn't we want to have some healthy competition for our airport security dollars?


Everyone likes to GENERALIZE (slam) about the "Federal Workforce", that all are worthless.
.
I didn't say they are all worthless. I said there should be healthy competition for those jobs between the Government and Private Security. What's wrong with that? Whenever you just hand over a job to an individual or a company or a group without any competition, you rarely get the best and most cost effective solutions....But if you want some specific examples of TSA Fail...

TSA Spent 160 Million on Scanners with 95% Failure Rate

TSA Hasn't improved after failing 95% of security tests

In my opinion this is far worse than unacceptable airport lines. They weren't even meeting their mission 95% of the time for years...and no one said a word about it. Does that make you feel better the Federal Workers just doin' their jobs?


Were the scanners developed and manufactured by public TSA workers? Or a good-ole, free market government contractor like you promote so generously? And how exactly would a private sector screener know if the scanners worked any better than a public employee?

The boards biggest centrist cant bring himself to even assign blame to the proper people at the heart of his own complaint. Thanks for proving what we already know.

1. I'd blame the people in the TSA procurement department who spent 195 Million Taxpayer dollars on machines that don't work....They are ultimately responsible.....not the TSA worker wearing plastic gloves and directing cattle to the right 2 mile line...Duh. Just like any businessman would blame his purchasing department for a failed 195 Million Dollar purchase. How can that happen? Didn't they test the machines? Were the Specs Right? Was there graft or fraud involved? What were the alternatives? Of course no one will be held accountable...because Government Purchasing. But PJ can blame whomever he chooses. Frankly, I don't know what this has to do with being a 'centrist' (I'm really a non-partisan).

2. PJ conveniently neglects to mention the more important of the two articles linked...the real 'heart of my complaint'...The fact that in secret testing the TSA was failing 95% of the time to catch weapons and bombs. This failure was obviously ongoing for over a decade. I'm kind of a bottom line guy. I'm just interested in results. Perhaps a 95% failure rate is a passing score in PJ's mind where he chooses to give the TSA a 'Participation Ribbon' for their outstanding effort....not me.

As not a single plane has been bombed, nor has anyone even pulled a smuggled weapon out in an attempt to hijack a plane, I'd say the TSA, despite its many failings , has done it's mission 100 percent of the time. Even if it's only but accident, it has a perfect record of keeping our skies safe. Could it, in the words of our founders, be "more perfect". Sure, but I'm glad we talk about it's failures being long lines and patting down Grandma rather than hijacked or blown up planes.

As an aside, a good friend from my Army days recently retired after thirty years and went to work for Homeland. He was telling me how the new scanners are much more sensitive than the ones they replaced. One of the areas they detect is wetness in the crouch area. Many more people are subjected to pat downs because they used a restroom just before getting on line, and shall we say - didn't shake it well enough. Be safe and use the restrooms past security.
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