Two Interesting Headlines related to Global Warming

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: Poptech
Why the need to personally attack me and call me names simply because you have been proven wrong?
That means forkushV likes Poptech. He does that to poor old DonDiego all the time too.

Don Diego is right. "Dishonest scumbag" is a term of endearment here. Wait until Forkush calls you a Hypocritical Scumbag, Poppy. Then you'll know you've really made it.
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Originally posted by: Poptech
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Originally posted by: forkushV

Ooh that's strong, mystery man. I just looked up The Cat in The Hat on Google Scholar and I get about 205,000 cites. But you know what? If Dr. Seuss had ever claimed to have his work published in a peer-review journal simply because he was cited, he would have been a dishonest scumbag. Just like you.

So you have demonstrated you do not know how to use Google Scholar either...
Actually mystery man, I posted a correction about two minutes before your helpful post. I'm pretty sure Dr. Seuss still has you beat big time.

Anyone who conflates being cited with being published is dishonest. Remember Ted Baxter pasting his picture into photographs with presidents and other famous people. Mystery man, that's you.
Its true there is a small group of credible, reputable scientists that are skeptics of man-made climate change. The ratio of them to their climate-change-acknowledging colleagues is about 3:97.

Politifact And of the 3% The study said "the relative climate expertise and
scienti?c prominence" of the researchers unconvinced of man-made climate change are "substantially below that of the convinced researchers."

Case in point:
This is NASA's summary of climate change.


The first scientist listed by PopTech, Richard Linden agrees with NASA's conclusions about man-made greenhouse gases being a significant warming factor to the planet. He argues this warming will be offset by an increase in cirrus clouds that will result from the same artificial causes. To date the second part of his theory has not manifested itself. And given his record its likely it never will because as it turns out almost all of his previous predictions have been debunked ...Richard's record isn't very impressive

But, hey! Someone on the board actually pointed to a reputable critic of climate science. I would call that massive progress over the people who base their argument on the current weather forcast of their neighborhood. Welcome to the board poptech.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Actually mystery man, I posted a correction about two minutes before your helpful post. I'm pretty sure Dr. Seuss still has you beat big time.

Anyone who conflates being cited with being published is dishonest. Remember Ted Baxter pasting his picture into photographs with presidents and other famous people. Mystery man, that's you.

Of course you corrected your post to save yourself from such an embarrassment. Regardless, you still do not understand how to use Google Scholar, as you will only find about 200 official citations for that book - the majority of which are not peer-reviewed. I sure hope a well read author like Dr. Suess is well-cited in literature journals.

We still have not learned your name "mystery man". Nothing is being conflated as your argument was a strawman - if nothing was created for let alone submitted for peer-review how can such a strawman argument as yours be entertained?

The irrefutable fact is my work has been cited 8 times in 5 peer-reviewed journals.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Its true there is a small group of credible, reputable scientists that are skeptics of man-made climate change. The ratio of them to their climate-change-acknowledging colleagues is about 3:97.

This is incorrect, the 97% is absolutely bogus and has long been debunked. All published papers endorsing such a statistic have been refuted by peer-review.

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Originally posted by: pjstrohThe first scientist listed by PopTech, Richard Linden agrees with NASA's conclusions about man-made greenhouse gases being a significant warming factor to the planet. He argues this warming will be offset by an increase in cirrus clouds that will result from the same artificial causes. To date the second part of his theory has not manifested itself. And given his record its likely it never will because as it turns out almost all of his previous predictions have been debunked ...

This is a complete misrepresentation of his position and he has refuted all criticisms of his work. Please quote his actual position, from one of his own works and not from a far-left news media outlet, as I am sure your intent was not to misrepresent his position. Feel free to read his actual position on the issue here,

Climate Science: Is it currently designed to answer questions?

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Abstract: For a variety of inter-related cultural, organizational, and political reasons, progress in climate science and the actual solution of scientific problems in this field have moved at a much slower rate than would normally be possible. Not all these factors are unique to climate science, but the heavy influence of politics has served to amplify the role of the other factors. By cultural factors, I primarily refer to the change in the scientific paradigm from a dialectic opposition between theory and observation to an emphasis on simulation and observational programs. The latter serves to almost eliminate the dialectical focus of the former. Whereas the former had the potential for convergence, the latter is much less effective. The institutional factor has many components. One is the inordinate growth of administration in universities and the consequent increase in importance of grant overhead. This leads to an emphasis on large programs that never end. Another is the hierarchical nature of formal scientific organizations whereby a small executive council can speak on behalf of thousands of scientists as well as govern the distribution of ‘carrots and sticks’ whereby reputations are made and broken. The above factors are all amplified by the need for government funding. When an issue becomes a vital part of a political agenda, as is the case with climate, then the politically desired position becomes a goal rather than a consequence of scientific research. This paper will deal with the origin of the cultural changes and with specific examples of the operation and interaction of these factors. In particular, we will show how political bodies act to control scientific institutions, how scientists adjust both data and even theory to accommodate politically correct positions, and how opposition to these positions is disposed of.


Also "NASA" as an entire organization does not have a singular position on climate change since all of their over 17,000 employees were never polled, rather various scientists that work for them do. So please do not misrepresent NASA either. Many NASA scientists and astronauts have come out against alarmist claims on climate change.

49 former NASA scientists go ballistic over agency’s bias over climate change (Financial Post)
NASA Astronaut Legends Skeptical of AGW Alarm
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Originally posted by: Poptech
This is a complete misrepresentation of his position and he has refuted all criticisms of his work. Please quote his actual position, from one of his own works and not from a far-left news media outlet, as I am sure your intent was not to misrepresent his position. Feel free to read his actual position on the issue here,



OK

He explains his position an interview with the NY Times in 2012. I'll let the Time's credibility stand on its own feet. Copnsidering your blog presents a partisan view of the issue I wont engage you in an argument over which site has more credibility.

ny times

"Richard S. Lindzen, a professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is the leading proponent of the view that clouds will save the day. His stature in the field — he has been making seminal contributions to climate science since the 1960s — has amplified his influence.

Dr. Lindzen says the earth is not especially sensitive to greenhouse gases because clouds will react to counter them, and he believes he has identified a specific mechanism. On a warming planet, he says, less coverage by high clouds in the tropics will allow more heat to escape to space, countering the temperature increase.

His idea has drawn withering criticism from other scientists, who cite errors in his papers and say proof is lacking. Enough evidence is already in hand, they say, to rule out the powerful cooling effect from clouds that would be needed to offset the increase of greenhouse gases."

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Originally posted by: Poptech
Also "NASA" as an entire organization does not have a singular position on climate change since all of their over 17,000 employees were never polled, rather various scientists that work for them do. So please do not misrepresent NASA either.


NASA has a website which presents that organizations official position of the issue. That's why they have a website that addresses it. I misrepresented nothing.

While we are at it...
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Originally posted by: forkushV
If your guy who quit Greenpeace 28 years ago was actually a scientist (he isn't) and actually published in a peer reviewed journal (he didn't), that would make......................two!



This nonsense has long been debunked,


2,258 Meaningless Search Results



James Powell continues to demonstrate his computer illiteracy by doing worthless database searches in an intellectually dishonest propaganda campaign. He updated his previous meaningless analysis in continued blissful ignorance that the 'Web of Science' database does not have a "peer-reviewed" filter and the existence of a search phrase in a returned result does not determine it's context. Thus, all that can be claimed is there were 2,258 meaningless search results not "peer-reviewed climate articles" for a query of the 'Web of Science' database - with 1 chosen by strawman argument.

1. The context of how the "search phrases" were used in all the results was never determined.

2. The results are padded by not using the search qualifier "anthropogenic".

3. The 2,258 results cannot be claimed to be peer-reviewed as the Web of Science does not have a peer-reviewed filter.

4. It is a strawman argument that most skeptics deny or reject that man can have an influence on the climate, but rather if there is any cause for alarm.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
He explains his position an interview with the NY Times in 2012. I'll let the Time's credibility stand on its own feet. Copnsidering your blog presents a partisan view of the issue I wont engage you in an argument over which site has more credibility.

ny times

"Richard S. Lindzen, a professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is the leading proponent of the view that clouds will save the day. His stature in the field — he has been making seminal contributions to climate science since the 1960s — has amplified his influence.

Dr. Lindzen says the earth is not especially sensitive to greenhouse gases because clouds will react to counter them, and he believes he has identified a specific mechanism. On a warming planet, he says, less coverage by high clouds in the tropics will allow more heat to escape to space, countering the temperature increase.

His idea has drawn withering criticism from other scientists, who cite errors in his papers and say proof is lacking. Enough evidence is already in hand, they say, to rule out the powerful cooling effect from clouds that would be needed to offset the increase of greenhouse gases."

That is not a quote - I ask again (this is a very simple request) please provide a quote of his actual position not from a far-left publication intent on minimizing his actual position.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
NASA has a website which presents that organizations official position of the issue. That's why they have a website that addresses it. I misrepresented nothing.

Incorrect, it is representing the bureaucrats opinion who control NASA's policy positions and was formulate by a handful of scientists. Surely you can show me where all of their over 17,000 employees were polled in support of such a position or are you claiming that every person who works for an organization holds upper management's position on all issues?

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Originally posted by: Poptech
...The irrefutable fact is my work has been cited 8 times in 5 peer-reviewed journals.
True! But when I said you had no prayer of being published, you said I was incorrect and you spoke of citations as if it was the same thing as being published.

Is there anyone here ignorant enough to believe that?
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Poptech
...The irrefutable fact is my work has been cited 8 times in 5 peer-reviewed journals.
True! But when I said you had no prayer of being published, you said I was incorrect and you spoke of citations as if it was the same thing as being published.

Is there anyone here ignorant enough to believe that?

That is because it is a strawman argument as there never was any intent to be published in a peer-reviewed journal. Resources are not published in journals they are used to locate information. I spoke of citations as a clear demonstration that my work is taken seriously in the scholarly literature.

Quote where I said they were the same thing - I am not interested in your assumptions.

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