Two Interesting Headlines related to Global Warming

Like I said - I wont get into an argument over which website has more credibility: The NY Times or your blog page. Readers can make up their own mind.

The NASA website represents the official position of that organization - there is nothing remotely untrue about that statement. I never said everyone in NASA subscribes to it. Its very possible the night janitor disagrees. But Surely you can back up your inflammatory accusation of the opinions of their 17k employees being censored and misrepresented by "bureaucrats"...and if you cant then that would make you guilty of making up a conspiracy theory and posting it on this forum. You're not really doing that are you?


Come 'on guys - stop arguing, our President said the science is settled......and if like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
What kind of person would put Stewart in quotation marks, and highlight the name Leibowitz as if there were something wrong with it? Poptech, you're getting to be less of a mystery all the time.

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Like I said - I wont get into an argument over which website has more credibility: The NY Times or your blog page. Readers can make up their own mind.

Why are you unable to quote his actual position and instead are intent on misrpresenting it? The readers here can make their own mind about this too.

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The NASA website represents the official position of that organization - there is nothing remotely untrue about that statement. I never said everyone in NASA subscribes to it. Its very possible the night janitor disagrees. But Surely you can back up your inflammatory accusation of the opinions of their 17k employees being censored and misrepresented by "bureaucrats"...and if you cant then that would make you guilty of making up a conspiracy theory and posting it on this forum. You're not really doing that are you?

So everything on the NASA website represents an official position of NASA? That is like saying that everything on a University website represents the official position of the University. Are you claiming all scientists at NASA think the same and support the same position of every other scientist there on all issues? That is completely illogical.

I already provided a signed letter from 49 NASA scientists and astronauts supporting my argument above.

Let me know when you can produce the poll from all of the over 17,000 NASA employees supporting such a position on climate change.


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What kind of person would put Stewart in quotation marks, and highlight the name Leibowitz as if there were something wrong with it? Poptech, you're getting to be less of a mystery all the time.



It is in quotes because it is not his real name. There is nothing wrong with his birth name, I have Jewish family members and friends. What you should be asking is why is Jon "Stewart" so ashamed of it?

I am not surprised that you are now resorting to trying to smear me when you lost the actual argument.

BTW that is a great article (fully cited and sourced) that I think more people should read, thanks for bringing it up!

The Truth about Jon "Stewart"
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Originally posted by: forkushV
What kind of person would put Stewart in quotation marks, and highlight the name Leibowitz as if there were something wrong with it? Poptech, you're getting to be less of a mystery all the time.



It is in quotes because it is not his real name. There is nothing wrong with his birth name, I have Jewish family members and friends. What you should be asking is why is Jon "Stewart" so ashamed of it?
Ditto John Wayne. And Bob Hope. And Tony Curtis. And Anthony Curtis! (You don't know who that is, do you Mystery Man?) And...Mystery Man himself, Andrew "K."

And Mystery, when you pointed out that some of your best friends are Jewish, that pretty much clinched it.
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This is incorrect, the 97% is absolutely bogus and has long been debunked. All published papers endorsing such a statistic have been refuted by peer-review...
One of Myster Man's sources:



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And Bob Hope. And Tony Curtis. And Anthony Curtis! (You don't know who that is, do you Mystery Man?) And...Mystery Man himself, Andrew "K."

And Mystery, when you pointed out that some of your best friends are Jewish, that pretty much clinched it.

Mystery, Bob Hope's real last name was "Hope". Jon "Stewart" is a political commentator hiding-out as a "comedian". You are forgetting Mystery Man forkushV.

Clinched what? Your obsession with ethnicity?
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One of Myster Man's sources:

Mystery Man, why are you now trying to smear Dr. Soon?

Wei-Hock "Willie" Soon, B.Sc. Aerospace Engineering Cum Laude, University of Southern California (1985); M.Sc. Aerospace Engineering, University of Southern California (1987); Ph.D. Rocket Science with distinction (Thesis: "Non-equilibrium kinetics in high-temperature gases"), University of Southern California (1991); Graduate Scholastic Award, IEEE Nuclear and Plasma Sciences Society (1989); Rockwell Dennis Hunt Scholastic Award, University of Southern California (1991); Member, Tau Beta Phi (National Engineering Honor Society); Member, Sigma Gamma Tau (National Aerospace Engineering Honor Society); Post-Doctoral Fellow, Solar, Stellar, and Planetary Sciences Division, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (1991-1996); Astronomer, Mount Wilson Observatory (1992-2009); Astrophysicist and Geoscientist, Solar, Stellar, and Planetary Sciences Division, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (1997-Present); Visiting Professor, Department of Science and Environmental Studies, University of Putra, Malaysia (1999-2000); Annual Reviewer, Progress in Physical Geography Journal (2001-2002); Senior Scientist, George C. Marshall Institute (2001-2003); Former Member, American Astrophysical Society (AAS); Former Member, American Geophysical Union (AGU); Former Member, International Astronomical Union (IAU); Receiving Editor, New Astronomy Journal (2002-Present); Member, CANSTAT Advisory Board, Fraser Institute (2002-Present); Member, Advisory Board, National Center for Public Policy Research (2002); Smithsonian Institution Award for "Official Recognition of Work Performance Reflecting a High Standard of Accomplishment" (2003); Science Director, Center for Science and Public Policy (2003-2006); Petr Beckmann Award for "Courage and Achievement in Defense of Scientific Truth and Freedom" (2004); Chief Scientist, Science and Public Policy Institute (2007-2010); Senior Visiting Fellow, State Key Laboratory of Marine Environmental Science, Xiamen University, China (2013-2014); Courage in Defense of Science Award (2014)

Statement by Dr. Willie Soon

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“In recent weeks I have been the target of attacks in the press by various radical environmental and politically motivated groups. This effort should be seen for what it is: a shameless attempt to silence my scientific research and writings, and to make an example out of me as a warning to any other researcher who may dare question in the slightest their fervently held orthodoxy of anthropogenic global warming.

“I am saddened and appalled by this effort, not only because of the personal hurt it causes me and my family and friends, but also because of the damage it does to the integrity of the scientific process. I am willing to debate the substance of my research and competing views of climate change with anyone, anytime, anywhere. It is a shame that those who disagree with me resolutely decline all public debate and stoop instead to underhanded and unscientific ad hominem tactics.

“Let me be clear. I have never been motivated by financial gain to write any scientific paper, nor have I ever hidden grants or any other alleged conflict of interest. I have been a solar and stellar physicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics for a quarter of a century, during which time I have published numerous peer-reviewed, scholarly articles. The fact that my research has been supported in part by donations to the Smithsonian Institution from many sources, including some energy producers, has long been a matter of public record. In submitting my academic writings I have always complied with what I understood to be disclosure practices in my field generally, consistent with the level of disclosure made by many of my Smithsonian colleagues.

“If the standards for disclosure are to change, then let them change evenly. If a journal that has peer-reviewed and published my work concludes that additional disclosures are appropriate, I am happy to comply. I would ask only that other authors-on all sides of the debate-are also required to make similar disclosures. And I call on the media outlets that have so quickly repeated my attackers’ accusations to similarly look into the motivations of and disclosures that may or may not have been made by their preferred, IPCC-linked scientists.

“I regret deeply that the attacks on me now appear to have spilled over onto other scientists who have dared to question the degree to which human activities might be causing dangerous global warming, a topic that ought rightly be the subject of rigorous open debate, not personal attack. I similarly regret the terrible message this pillorying sends young researchers about the costs of questioning widely accepted “truths.”

“Finally, I thank all my many colleagues and friends who have bravely objected to this smear campaign on my behalf and I challenge all parties involved to focus on real scientific issues for the betterment of humanity.

Dr. Wei-Hock “Willie” Soon
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
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The NASA website represents the official position of that organization - there is nothing remotely untrue about that statement. I never said everyone in NASA subscribes to it. Its very possible the night janitor disagrees. But Surely you can back up your inflammatory accusation of the opinions of their 17k employees being censored and misrepresented by "bureaucrats"...and if you cant then that would make you guilty of making up a conspiracy theory and posting it on this forum. You're not really doing that are you?

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So everything on the NASA website represents an official position of NASA? That is like saying that everything on a University website represents the official position of the University. Are you claiming all scientists at NASA think the same and support the same position of every other scientist there on all issues? That is completely illogical.

I already provided a signed letter from 49 NASA scientists and astronauts supporting my argument above.

Let me know when you can produce the poll from all of the over 17,000 NASA employees supporting such a position on climate change.


I never said it represented everyone individual in NASA...you said that I said that - right before you made an inflammatory, unfounded accusation about the management at NASA (that you made up).

I provided links to back up my points. I can care less if you dont find them acceptable. That seems to be a pretty high bar given that you dismiss everything as part of the leftist media conspiracy unless you cherry pick it as a reference on your partisan website.



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