Two Interesting Headlines related to Global Warming

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Originally posted by: Poptech
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Originally posted by: forkushV
One of Myster Man's sources:

Mystery Man, why are you now trying to smear Dr. Soon?

Wei-Hock "Willie" Soon, B.Sc. University of Southern California (1985), M.Sc. University of Southern California (1987), Ph.D. Rocket Science with distinction (Thesis: "Non-equilibrium kinetics in high-temperature gases"), University of Southern California (1991), Graduate Scholastic Award, IEEE Nuclear and Plasma Sciences Society (1989), Rockwell Dennis Hunt Scholastic Award, University of Southern California (1991), Post-Doctural Fellow, Harvard-Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics (1991-1992); Adjunct Professor, Department of Science and Environmental Studies, University of Putra, Malaysia; Member, American Astrophysical Society (AAS); Member, American Geophysical Union (AGU); Member, International Astronomical Union (IAU); Receiving Editor, New Astronomy Journal; Astronomer, Mount Wilson Observatory (1992-Present), Astrophysicist and Geoscientist, Solar, Stellar, and Planetary Sciences (SSP) Division, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (1992-Present)

Statement by Dr. Willie Soon



You forgot to add this to his resume...
He took 1.2 million dollars from fossil fuel industries and failed to disclose it (as strictly required by the Academy of Sciences) and claimed his research was unbiased.

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Oh the hits just keep on comin....
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I never said it represented everyone individual in NASA...you said that I said that - right before you made an inflammatory, unfounded accusation about the management at NASA (that you made up).

Then is is ambiguous when you claim "NASA" supports a certain position on climate change. I did not make any unfounded accusations about the management of NASA.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I provided links to back up my points. I can care less if you dont find them acceptable. That seems to be a pretty high bar given that you dismiss everything as part of the leftist media conspiracy unless you cherry pick it as a reference on your partisan website.

You have yet to accurately represent Dr. Lindzen's position in his own words from a non far-left publication. I can easily provide these but I am waiting to see if you are interested in being intellectually honest about this issue or not.

I have yet to use the word "conspiracy" yet you have used it multiple times.

Why are you making a strawman argument that "I dismiss everything as part of the leftist media conspiracy"?

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
You forgot to add this to his resume...
He took 1.2 million dollars from fossil fuel industries and failed to disclose it (as strictly required by the Academy of Sciences) and claimed his research was unbiased.

Why are you trying to smear him with these lies? His funding which has included donations from the energy industry has never been a secret and he has never failed to disclose anything. You appear rather unhinged and have no interest in intellectual honesty on this issue.

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Originally posted by: Poptech
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
You forgot to add this to his resume...
He took 1.2 million dollars from fossil fuel industries and failed to disclose it (as strictly required by the Academy of Sciences) and claimed his research was unbiased.

Why are you trying to smear him with these lies? His funding which has included donations from the energy industry has never been a secret and he has never failed to disclose anything. You appear rather unhinged and have no interest in intellectual honesty on this issue.


No, I simply back up what I say by providing the links that do that very thing. That is contrary to the way you conduct yourself as evidenced by this direct quote you made earlier this evening about the culture at NASA...."Incorrect, it is representing the bureaucrats opinion who control NASA's policy positions and was formulate by a handful of scientists". Prove me wrong by backing up this statement with a credible source...or you can honorably admit that you lied and made it up.

Funny how You fancy yourself as the debate moderator in addition to being a partisan participant in it...and pretend you get to determine what sources are relevant and which ones are smear. I'm afraid you simply lack the credibility to take that role...and you have the lack of sources to prove my point.


Global Warming is sounding more and more like the religions dogmas in totalitarian states like Iran and Syria:

FEMA wants to deny funding to Global Warming Deniers

This is almost as outrageous as a scenario where the Red Cross would withhold disaster relief from a Southern state hit by a hurricane due to their state or skin color.

No wonder people are so afraid of certain "deniers".
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
No, I simply back up what I say by providing the links that do that very thing. That is contrary to the way you conduct yourself as evidenced by this direct quote you made earlier this evening about the culture at NASA...."Incorrect, it is representing the bureaucrats opinion who control NASA's policy positions and was formulate by a handful of scientists". Prove me wrong by backing up this statement with a credible source...or you can honorably admit that you lied and made it up.

I will have no problem backing that up but first you need to provide me with NASA's official position on climate change. So far all you have done is link to a website run by the Earth Science Communications Team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory that includes the opinions of 8 science advisers which represents about 0.05% of NASA's employees.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Funny how You fancy yourself as the debate moderator in addition to being a partisan participant in it...and pretend you get to determine what sources are relevant and which ones are smear. I'm afraid you simply lack the credibility to take that role...and you have the lack of sources to prove my point.

Another strawman argument as I have not claimed to be the debate moderator - I made a simple request that you continue to dodge. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you link to websites like Wikipedia?
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Originally posted by: Poptech
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Originally posted by: forkushV
One of Myster Man's sources:

Mystery Man, why are you now trying to smear Dr. Soon?

Statement by Dr. Willie Soon
Oh god, the hits keep coming.

Dr. Willie put his, "What, I was supposed to disclose the $1.3 million" press release out through the Heartland Institute, which at one time took money from Phillip Morris to deny the harmful effects of cigarette smoke. Can't you smell the scientific credibility. (It smells like Marlboro!)


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Originally posted by: forkushV
Oh god, the hits keep coming.

Dr. Willie put his, "What, I was supposed to disclose the $1.3 million" press release out through the Heartland Institute, which at one time took money from Phillip Morris to deny the harmful effects of cigarette smoke. Can't you smell the scientific credibility. (It smells like Marlboro!)

There are no "hits" just a reprehensible smear attempt by you.

Debunking the Left's Attack on an Innocent Climate Scientist

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1. Key facts about the controversy

In late February, 2015, Dr. Wei-Hock “Willie” Soon was accused by a Greenpeace activist of failing to disclose conflicts of interest to an academic journal. The accusation was false, but it was repeated by liberal reporters for major media outlets in the U.S. and U.K. and then became the basis for a coordinated campaign against global warming “skeptics” by liberal advocacy groups, Democratic U.S. senators and a congressman, and their allies in the mainstream media.

This page presents background information and facts about the controversy as well as links to some of the attacks on Dr. Soon as well as articles defending him. Dr. Soon's biography and a partial list of articles he has written for peer-reviewed journals is at the bottom of this page.

* Neither the editors of Science Bulletin nor the Smithsonian Institution, Dr. Soon’s employer, have said Dr. Soon violated their disclosure or conflict of interest rules.

* Kert Davies, the source of the accusations, has been making similar attacks against Dr. Soon and other climate scientists since as long ago as 1997. He is not a credible source.

* Grants supporting Dr. Soon’s work were vetted and submitted by the Smithsonian, not by Dr. Soon. Grant dollars went to the Smithsonian, which kept around 40 percent of the money for oversight and overhead.

* The amount of industry support Dr. Soon received, variously reported as $1 million or $1.2 million, includes the Smithsonian Institution’s 40 percent share and was received over the course of ten years.

* By agreement between donors and the Smithsonian, Dr. Soon wasn’t even aware of who some of the donors were, making a conflict of interest impossible.

* Disclosure of funding sources is not a common requirement of academic journals in the physical sciences field. Most climate scientists – alarmist as well as skeptical – do not disclose their funding sources.


You then of course post lies about the Heartland Institute,

Reply to Our Critics

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Heartland's long-standing position on tobacco is that smoking is a risk factor for many diseases; we have never denied that smoking kills. We argue that the risks are exaggerated by the public health community to justify their calls for more regulations on businesses and higher taxes on smokers, and that the risk of adverse health effects from second-hand smoke is dramatically less than for active smoking, with many studies finding no adverse health effects at all. These positions are supported by many prominent scientists and virtually all free-market think tanks.

We take these principled positions on tobacco control despite their being very politically incorrect and despite receiving little (and in some years no) funding from tobacco companies because they are freedom issues. The left uses junk science to demonize smokers, which then clears the way for higher taxes on smokers, restrictions on their personal freedoms, and restrictions on the property rights of the owners of bars and other businesses. [...]

A former board member, Roy Marden (Left in 2008), indeed worked for Philip Morris/Altria during some of his time on Heartland's board, and he helped convince others in the company to approve contributions to us because of our opposition to high taxes on cigarettes, the abuse of tort law leading up to the Master Settlement Agreement, and other tobacco-related issues. This was not a conflict of interest: All nonprofit organizations put representatives of foundations and corporations on their boards with the expectation that they help "give or get" financial support.

Philip Morris' support never amounted to more than 5 percent of Heartland's annual budget. None of the correspondence between Marden and his colleagues at Philip Morris suggests any improper influence over Heartland's programs or positions, and indeed there was none. Heartland was speaking up for over-taxed smokers and against nanny state regulations long before Philip Morris offered any funding and before Marden joined the organization's board.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
You forgot to add this to his resume...

I had actually forgotten to add quite a bit to his resume...

Wei-Hock "Willie" Soon, B.Sc. Aerospace Engineering Cum Laude, University of Southern California (1985); M.Sc. Aerospace Engineering, University of Southern California (1987); Ph.D. Rocket Science with distinction (Thesis: "Non-equilibrium kinetics in high-temperature gases"), University of Southern California (1991); Graduate Scholastic Award, IEEE Nuclear and Plasma Sciences Society (1989); Rockwell Dennis Hunt Scholastic Award, University of Southern California (1991); Member, Tau Beta Phi (National Engineering Honor Society); Member, Sigma Gamma Tau (National Aerospace Engineering Honor Society); Post-Doctoral Fellow, Solar, Stellar, and Planetary Sciences Division, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (1991-1996); Astronomer, Mount Wilson Observatory (1992-2009); Astrophysicist and Geoscientist, Solar, Stellar, and Planetary Sciences Division, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (1997-Present); Visiting Professor, Department of Science and Environmental Studies, University of Putra, Malaysia (1999-2000); Annual Reviewer, Progress in Physical Geography Journal (2001-2002); Senior Scientist, George C. Marshall Institute (2001-2003); Former Member, American Astrophysical Society (AAS); Former Member, American Geophysical Union (AGU); Former Member, International Astronomical Union (IAU); Receiving Editor, New Astronomy Journal (2002-Present); Member, CANSTAT Advisory Board, Fraser Institute (2002-Present); Member, Advisory Board, National Center for Public Policy Research (2002); Smithsonian Institution Award for "Official Recognition of Work Performance Reflecting a High Standard of Accomplishment" (2003); Science Director, Center for Science and Public Policy (2003-2006); Petr Beckmann Award for "Courage and Achievement in Defense of Scientific Truth and Freedom" (2004); Chief Scientist, Science and Public Policy Institute (2007-2010); Senior Visiting Fellow, State Key Laboratory of Marine Environmental Science, Xiamen University, China (2013-2014); Courage in Defense of Science Award (2014)

It has been a while since I had to defend the highly credentialed and honorable Dr. Soon from such smears.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Scientists have measured this past Winter to be the warmest on record since temperatures have been recorded. But the chairman of the Senate Environmental committee chair (Jim Enhoffe) laughed it off by producing a snowball on the Senate Floor. The crux of his argument is that it snowed in the Winter time. This is the IQ brought to the debate by birthers.


How many winters held the same title in the last 10 years? So which one is it? Is this with or without fudging the data????
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