Uh-Oh! Another Electric Auto Company . . .

Don Diego uses the phrase "another electric auto company" which infers there was one that preceded the company he mentions in his post.

Based upon his numerous threads in the past I can only presume the company he is talking about is this one:
GM records record profit of 7.6 Billion in 2011 - regains top spot in the world

GM Billion dollar profits result in 7K bonuses for middle class workers

GM and the other rust belt auto companies in a hiring frenzy to keep up with demand.

This November people living in the swing states that comprise the rust belt CAN and WILL weigh in on their opinion of the government's socialist meddling into their lives. And they will be picking winners and losers of their own. And Mitt will have plenty of time to enjoy the height of the trees in Michigan afterwards.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

Dateline March 8th 2012
Consumer Reports's Fisker Karma plug-in hybrid breaks down before testing starts.
"We buy about 80 cars a year and this is the first time in memory that we have had a car that is undriveable before it has finished our check-in process."
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Maybe it's the new Tucker.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Don Diego uses the phrase "another electric auto company" which infers there was one that preceded the company he mentions in his post.

Based upon his numerous threads in the past I can only presume the company he is talking about is this one:
GM records record profit of 7.6 Billion in 2011 - regains top spot in the world

GM Billion dollar profits result in 7K bonuses for middle class workers

GM and the other rust belt auto companies in a hiring frenzy to keep up with demand.

This November people living in the swing states that comprise the rust belt CAN and WILL weigh in on their opinion of the government's socialist meddling into their lives. And they will be picking winners and losers of their own. And Mitt will have plenty of time to enjoy the height of the trees in Michigan afterwards.

All the great news from GM, and it is great news, is not because of their electric car. Maybe in the future, just not now.

I really can't believe you don't own a Volt pj.


"I really can't believe you don't own a Volt pj."

He is #50,001 on the waiting list

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Originally posted by: JM2300
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Don Diego uses the phrase "another electric auto company" which infers there was one that preceded the company he mentions in his post.

Based upon his numerous threads in the past I can only presume the company he is talking about is this one:
GM records record profit of 7.6 Billion in 2011 - regains top spot in the world

GM Billion dollar profits result in 7K bonuses for middle class workers

GM and the other rust belt auto companies in a hiring frenzy to keep up with demand.

This November people living in the swing states that comprise the rust belt CAN and WILL weigh in on their opinion of the government's socialist meddling into their lives. And they will be picking winners and losers of their own. And Mitt will have plenty of time to enjoy the height of the trees in Michigan afterwards.

All the great news from GM, and it is great news, is not because of their electric car. Maybe in the future, just not now.
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You are correct...but the government did not "bail out" a single vehicle in GM's lineup did they? As our original poster reported the government used taxpayer money to pick winners and losers in the free market...with the point being GM was a loser. Given the entirety of GM's success I'd say Don Diego's definition of that word runs contrary to most everyone elses'.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
. . . but the government did not "bail out" a single vehicle in GM's lineup did they? As our original poster reported the government used taxpayer money to pick winners and losers in the free market...with the point being GM was a loser. Given the entirety of GM's success I'd say Don Diego's definition of that word runs contrary to most everyone elses'.
GM was a loser.

Had the Government not given/loaned GM a crapload (*see below) of taxpayer money and purchased over 60% of the company with taxpayer money and ramrodded an unprecedented pre-arranged bankruptcy/reorganization, favoring some special interest groups and screwing some others, GM would've been out-of-business and its productive assets and real-and-intellectual properties would have been sold to the highest bidders and put to, presumedly, productive use.

Nonetheless, DonDiego is happy to see GM prospering; he is happy to see GM management and white-collar and blue collar employees enjoying the fruits of their labors. He does not expect it to last.
He is even more happy to see Ford prospering, because DonDiego didn't have to participate in a bailout. It seems a mite unfair for well-managed Ford to have to compete with Government-subsidized GM, . . . but that's what picking winners/losers is all about.

Oh, . . . and the GM Volt is still a loser. Citizens in the market for a compact car can find some excellent automobiles for a bit over $20,000 or they can purchase a Volt for over $40,000 and pocket a $7500-Government-check. Most in this market are choosing to spend the $20,000+.
GM's CEO has stated the average buyer of a Volt has an income of $170,000-per-year; DonDiego is thrilled to contribute his part of the rebate-check to the 1%.
Perhaps the Volt will do better when GM starts building them in China as recently announced. The Chinese offer even bigger rebates, so long as the vehicles are built in China. And the Chinese company partnering with GM will be happy to learn all the technology of electric-vehicles, the development of which was paid for by US taxpayer grants over the years. Heck, they'll pr'bly improve on it and sell it back to us pretty soon.

P.S.: Incidentally, DonDiego would not be surprised if the US Government started buying Volts for official Government use to, . . . well, . . . frankly, to save the world, . . . or something. Or maybe just save GM, . . . again. And probably encourage other Government entities to buy some too. Oh, . . . and there's a provision in the law by which the Government will pay full-price and the dealer can apply for and keep the $7500-rebate himself, . . . unless, of course, the Government raises the rebate to $10,000 as is now being considered; then they can keep that.

P.P.S. The use of the word "crapload" is now approved by the marketeers at GM. DonDiego was, once again, ahead of his times.
Ref: GM Volt Commercial

DISCLAIMER: DonDiego owns no stock in any motor car company.

Addendum: DonDiego supposes incorporating abundant natural gas into automotive transportation would likely be a more efficient means by which to reduce gasoline usage and travel costs. He would still prefer the Government mind its own business. The primary beneficiaries of such application of natural gas could be Westport Innovation [WPRT] and Cummins Inc. [CMI]. (Cummins Westport) Just a tip.

DISCLAIMER: DonDiego owns no stock in WPRT or CMI.
OK...so GM would have been bought buy a private sector company in 2009 had the government not stepped in. I'd love to hear the name of that company as none has ever expressed any interest - especially at the peak of the greatest recession since 1932 with car sales at record lows.....better yet I'd love to hear the name of the bank that would have financed such a deal given the rampant liquidity crisis that sector was in. I dont know the names of these companies .... and neither did George Bush which is why initiated the bailout. I believe his recent quote on the subject was "I didn't want to see unemployment jump up to 15%

Don Diego thinks its unfair for subsidized GM to compete with non-subsidized Ford. Ford's ceo doesn't. Thats because he also did not believe a private sector company would have saved GM and its parts manufacturers - the same parts manufacturers that supply Ford. But Don Diego seems to have more insight into the sector than - ya know - auto executives. Nevertheless, Don Diego's objection seems disinengenious because he's already said he is OK with state governments subsidizing car makers and giving them an unfair advantage in the free market. Such an argument presumes that state Socialists have more insight than Federal ones...and are thus better at picking winners and losers in a world market.

But Don Diego is correct about one thing - China is subsidizing the crap out of their Green Energy sector. In fact, so is most of the free world. The only industrialized nation on the planet where Green Energy R&D is partisan and controversial is ours. If it is such a giant waste of money how come the rest of the world is racing to develop it with their tax dollars? Perhaps they have a bigger view of the future and see Green Energy as something other than an Al Gore pet project which by definition makes it ridiculous.



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Originally posted by: pjstroh
OK...so GM would have been bought buy [sic] a private sector company in 2009 had the government not stepped in. I'd love to hear the name of that company as none has ever expressed any interest - especially at the peak of the greatest recession since 1932 with car sales at record lows.....better yet I'd love to hear the name of the bank that would have financed such a deal given the rampant liquidity crisis that sector was in. I dont know the names of these companies .... and neither did George Bush which is why initiated the bailout. I believe his recent quote on the subject was "I didn't want to see unemployment jump up to 15%
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DonDiego did not allege that GM would have been bought by a private sector company.
He stated that GM's productive assets and real-and-intellectual properties would have been sold to the highest bidders and put to, presumedly, productive use. They would've brought the fair-market value at the time; that's how auctions work. To put these assets to good use would've likely required hiring some new management and skilled workers and laborers too.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Don Diego thinks its unfair for subsidized GM to compete with non-subsidized Ford. Ford's ceo doesn't. Thats because he also did not believe a private sector company would have saved GM and its parts manufacturers - the same parts manufacturers that supply Ford. But Don Diego seems to have more insight into the sector than - ya know - auto executives. Nevertheless, Don Diego's objection seems disinengenious because he's already said he is OK with state governments subsidizing car makers and giving them an unfair advantage in the free market. Such an argument presumes that state Socialists have more insight than Federal ones...and are thus better at picking winners and losers in a world market.
Why do folks who disagree with DonDiego have to use the phrase "DonDiego thinks, . . .". DonDiego is capable in his own imperfect manner to state what he thinks if he so chooses.
Ford's CEO and DonDiego can disagree; heckfire, Ford's CEO has probably disageed with folks a lot better than poor old DonDiego before.
DonDiego would prefer that State Governments also not subsidize commercial enterprises. But the odds are 49-to-1 against DonDiego being taxed for this decision, . . . and even higher when one considers County and Municipal Governments. DonDiego opines Socialists at any level will overgovern, . . . but actually, yes local government of any variety probably does have greater insight into local matters.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
But Don Diego is correct about one thing - China is subsidizing the crap out of their Green Energy sector. In fact, so is most of the free world. The only industrialized nation on the planet where Green Energy R&D is partisan and controversial is ours. If it is such a giant waste of money how come the rest of the world is racing to develop it with their tax dollars? Perhaps they have a bigger view of the future and see Green Energy as something other than an Al Gore pet project which by definition makes it ridiculous.
Umm, . . . oh, . . .oh, . . . DonDiego already answered this question. DonDiego opines Socialists at any level will overgovern.
Imagine if the Government had subsidized Thomas A. Edison. Why, goodness, America might've ended up with $50 light bulbs! Ref: $50 Light Bulb Wins Government Affordability Prize
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

Imagine if the Government had subsidized Thomas A. Edison. Why, goodness, America might've ended up with $50 light bulbs! Ref: $50 Light Bulb Wins Government Affordability Prize

Yeah, that new LED bulb will only save American consumers three times the $50 cost over its lifetime. Soooo unaffordable!

And everyone knows that technology never gets less expensive over time! Oh wait...


Original price tag: $245.00

If these fancy lightbulbs are so fiscally sensible, why does the gov't need to get involved?
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