The US wants to "send a message" . . .

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: DonDiego Wow! Is that legal?

No. It's probably not legal. But when you own the world's reserve currency you can bend a few rules when it comes to payments to countries that are threatening you.

If push came to shove, all China has is paper. We have all the stuff that trillion dollars bought.

i. If the US were to suspend payments to one country, other countries might well begin to slough off US debt as well.
ii. The status of the US$ as the "reserve currency" is already being questioned; there is no guarantee the accompanying privileges will be recognized.
iii. A lot of the "stuff" the US bought with the borrowed money is already gone, . . . like today the US air-dropped 50 tons of weapons/ammunition/supplies to "rebel groups" in Syria. Who knows where that'll end up? Oh, . . . and money is fungible; most of the the money borrowed by issuing bonds goes to maintaining social programs nowadays, so that money's gone too.

I. At that point we'd be in the middle of economic warfare if not actual warfare. Other countries would have to choose between us and China. I imagine our #2 creditor would choose us. Of course we could keep any other fair-weather friends from cashing out too...and have even less debt....If push came to shove.

II. I'm not sure there is a viable alternative to the US Dollar as reserve currency. Yuan? Ruble? Euro? I don't think so. Also, after President Leroy ends further borrowing and puts our financial house in order, we will experience "surpluses as far as the eye can see". These countries will be clamoring for the once again almighty dollar.

III. And yes...I was going to mention that it's very possible that the Trillion Dollars didn't actually go to any real capital investment or productivity improvement or any asset that is still providing any benefit. It could have all been wasted. But still...would you rather have spent a trillion dollars on self-indulgent waste or have a $50 box of paper?

and I almost forgot to mention IV. Although repudiating our Chinese debt to punish them for hostile behavior may sound like a great way to save money and a lot of fun...the other side of that coin is it's unlikely the Chinese would continue to sell products to us and our international supporters. Since a high percentage of the things we buy are actually manufactured in China, it might take several years to rebuild that manufacturing base in the US and our allies. Those could be mighty lean years.

This is crazy, but Boiler believes that we shouldn't run a deficit, regardless of who controls the presidency or congress. Just a nutty thought.


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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: DonDiego Wow! Is that legal?

No. It's probably not legal. But when you own the world's reserve currency you can bend a few rules when it comes to payments to countries that are threatening you.

If push came to shove, all China has is paper. We have all the stuff that trillion dollars bought.

i. If the US were to suspend payments to one country, other countries might well begin to slough off US debt as well.
ii. The status of the US$ as the "reserve currency" is already being questioned; there is no guarantee the accompanying privileges will be recognized.
iii. A lot of the "stuff" the US bought with the borrowed money is already gone, . . . like today the US air-dropped 50 tons of weapons/ammunition/supplies to "rebel groups" in Syria. Who knows where that'll end up? Oh, . . . and money is fungible; most of the the money borrowed by issuing bonds goes to maintaining social programs nowadays, so that money's gone too.

I. At that point we'd be in the middle of economic warfare if not actual warfare. Other countries would have to choose between us and China. I imagine our #2 creditor would choose us. Of course we could keep any other fair-weather friends from cashing out too...and have even less debt....If push came to shove.

II. I'm not sure there is a viable alternative to the US Dollar as reserve currency. Yuan? Ruble? Euro? I don't think so. Also, after President Leroy ends further borrowing and puts our financial house in order, we will experience "surpluses as far as the eye can see". These countries will be clamoring for the once again almighty dollar.

III. And yes...I was going to mention that it's very possible that the Trillion Dollars didn't actually go to any real capital investment or productivity improvement or any asset that is still providing any benefit. It could have all been wasted. But still...would you rather have spent a trillion dollars on self-indulgent waste or have a $50 box of paper?


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Originally posted by: Boilerman
This is crazy, but Boiler believes that we shouldn't run a deficit, regardless of who controls the presidency or congress. Just a nutty thought.


Well, since AlanLeroyII has promised to eliminate any future borrowing and balance the federal budget, it looks like you've found your candidate. He might even be able to wrangle a Balanced Budget Amendment to the US Constitution. He's kind of a stickler when it comes to the Bill of Rights though.
While I like your idea of a balance budget amendment, it's only as good as ability to do so, and a willingness to follow the law. Those who walk away from a debt obligation has already shown an inability to do either.


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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
This is crazy, but Boiler believes that we shouldn't run a deficit, regardless of who controls the presidency or congress. Just a nutty thought.


Well, since AlanLeroyII has promised to eliminate any future borrowing and balance the federal budget, it looks like you've found your candidate. He might even be able to wrangle a Balanced Budget Amendment to the US Constitution. He's kind of a stickler when it comes to the Bill of Rights though.



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Originally posted by: Boilerman
While I like your idea of a balance budget amendment, it's only as good as ability to do so, and a willingness to follow the law. Those who walk away from a debt obligation has already shown an inability to do either.


Well if you were to take the time to actually read the premise of this thread it implies the potential for economic warfare against the US by China. Should that actually happen, President Leroy would respond in kind. This is all hypothetical. President Leroy would not suspend payments on our debt to China if we were not at war (economic or actual) with them. He would still support a balanced budget amendment to the US Constitution.

Would boilerman approve giving one cent to a country with which we were at war? I didn't think so. I'm glad we straightened that out and appreciate your support.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego DonDiego hasn't seen much true aggression against the West by President Putin either.
__The moves in eastern Ukraine/Crimea were defensive in response to provocations by a well-known provocateur nation.


Today the final report of the investigation of the MH17 crash was released. The plane was shot down by a Russian Buk rocket. This rocket could only be fired by a Russian soldier operating a Russian Buk battery because these Eastern Ukrane "rebels" (Russian mercenaries) didn't have the material nor the knowledge to fire such a rocket. This kinda shoots DD's position towards Russia and the Ukrane crisis to pieces. Ah well, almost 300 people killed, but since they weren't American we won't count this as agression towards "the West".

Boiler doesn't believe that expecting to be repaid for a loan is economic warfare.


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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
While I like your idea of a balance budget amendment, it's only as good as ability to do so, and a willingness to follow the law. Those who walk away from a debt obligation has already shown an inability to do either.


Well if you were to take the time to actually read the premise of this thread it implies the potential for economic warfare against the US by China. Should that actually happen, President Leroy would respond in kind. This is all hypothetical. President Leroy would not suspend payments on our debt to China if we were not at war (economic or actual) with them. He would still support a balanced budget amendment to the US Constitution.

Would boilerman approve giving one cent to a country with which we were at war? I didn't think so. I'm glad we straightened that out and appreciate your support.


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Originally posted by: alanleroyIIIII. And yes...I was going to mention that it's very possible that the Trillion Dollars didn't actually go to any real capital investment or productivity improvement or any asset that is still providing any benefit. It could have all been wasted. But still...would you rather have spent a trillion dollars on self-indulgent waste or have a $50 box of paper?

DonDiego would rather have spent only $999,999,999,950, . . . and kept $50 cash, i.e., have his cake and eat it too.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Boiler doesn't believe that expecting to be repaid for a loan is economic warfare.


What about attempting to crash the US Dollar by redeeming all 1 Trillion dollars of US treasuries after our Navies face off over the Spratly islands? That was the topic. President Boilerman would pay an enemy back when we were at war? Weaker than Obama. I'm not voting for Boilerman.
No on trusts a liar and a crook Liars and crooks default on their debt.


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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Boiler doesn't believe that expecting to be repaid for a loan is economic warfare.


What about attempting to crash the US Dollar by redeeming all 1 Trillion dollars of US treasuries after our Navies face off over the Spratly islands? That was the topic. President Boilerman would pay an enemy back when we were at war? Weaker than Obama. I'm not voting for Boilerman.


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