Venetian/Palazzo RESCINDING offers that have already been booked!!!

Oh, bob, I get it now. Im not allowed to say "Im taking a view which obviously is not on the players' side."

Okay. Does that mean I am in favor of what LVS did (if true) ? And I still remain skeptical of the original post-- and unless I hear of more cases I dont believe it is as stated.

I think that sums it up.
If the V needed to change their comp strategy, they should have honored any offers they already made. They shouldn't have announced a change....just not offer comp rooms to players in the future who don't qualify under the new rules. If a player questions why he/she isn't getting any new offers, they could explain the player no longer qualifies for free rooms.

The way this strategy was implemented is obviously building ill will and a bad reputation that wil last far beyond any temporary gain from welching on a few comped rooms.

Steve Wynn ought to jump all over this.
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Oh, bob, I get it now. Im not allowed to say "Im taking a view which obviously is not on the players' side."

Okay. Does that mean I am in favor of what LVS did (if true) ? And I still remain skeptical of the original post-- and unless I hear of more cases I dont believe it is as stated.

I think that sums it up.

You are and have been taking a view that is obviously on the casino's side. Fine, but don't try to deny it.

This just in:
Lately with the plethora of threads about VP on LVA I find it very ironic that V/P has rescinded their offers.
One might say it was in the cards.

That's all, now back to your regularly scheduled broadcast.

Bob, I dont deny that what I said was not on the players' side. But that doesn't mean I agree with it.

So, just for fun, keep reading on the other pages and see what I said about how I would be upset if this happened to me. Here are a few things to look for:

#1 "MissL I agree with you. I think if this player really thinks that his play entitles him to a comped room, then he should show up and pay the casino rate, play, and then get comped at the end of his visit.

If it were me, and my "comps" were pulled, I would also be upset. But I would also reason that the casino has a right to do that, and I would also reason that once I was there, and played my usual action, I would be comped anyway."

#2 "Mare, I agree with you. It's not fair. LVS has made this business decision -- it appears they are going after a different market that is linked to the convention business and their major investment in the convention center. It hurts everyone who used to be a loyal lower or mid level player.

the casinos talk about "loyalty programs" well there is no loyalty when it comes to $$ ."

#3 "Look I got screwed years ago at mandalay bay so I stopped playing there. Its part of the gamble. And next time ask me if I agree first before you start your attack. Also if you want to play the comps game be aware that they make the rules. Remember when caesars stopped their cash back? It cost me and others a lot of money because there was no notice."

But I am amazed that it is so important that I might take the casino's side. Gee-- someone went against the mob mentality, is that what's bothering you? Im a businessman, and yes, Ive done business with the casinos -- LOTS of them -- in different cities, including Stip and locals casinos in Vegas. And I can look at things from both sides. Is that wrong?

And I am still skeptical of the original post on blonde's forum. I really have trouble understanding that they would pull this guy's comped room only as part of a money saving program. As I said from the beginning, there are too many red flags. And if that person contacted me, I would do my best to find out what happened to him -- if he is standing by his story.
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#1 "MissL I agree with you. I think if this player really thinks that his play entitles him to a comped room, then he should show up and pay the casino rate, play, and then get comped at the end of his visit.

If it were me, and my "comps" were pulled, I would also be upset. But I would also reason that the casino has a right to do that, and I would also reason that once I was there, and played my usual action, I would be comped anyway."

#3 "Look I got screwed years ago at mandalay bay so I stopped playing there. Its part of the gamble. And next time ask me if I agree first before you start your attack. Also if you want to play the comps game be aware that they make the rules. Remember when caesars stopped their cash back? It cost me and others a lot of money because there was no notice."
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Let me get this straight-

In #1 you recommend the player to go pay the casino rate and hope to get comped at the end, and go on to say that you'd be upset if your comps were similiarly pulled but you'd go there and play anyways.

In #3 when something similiar happened to you at Mandalay Bay, you stopped playing there.

You are either talking out both ends or you don't mind if it happens to someone else and they can simply pay the casino rate and hope for some comps while you simply stop playing at the casino.


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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Bob, I dont deny that what I said was not on the players' side. But that doesn't mean I agree with it.

So, just for fun, keep reading on the other pages and see what I said about how I would be upset if this happened to me. Here are a few things to look for:

#1 "MissL I agree with you. I think if this player really thinks that his play entitles him to a comped room, then he should show up and pay the casino rate, play, and then get comped at the end of his visit.

If it were me, and my "comps" were pulled, I would also be upset. But I would also reason that the casino has a right to do that, and I would also reason that once I was there, and played my usual action, I would be comped anyway."

#2 "Mare, I agree with you. It's not fair. LVS has made this business decision -- it appears they are going after a different market that is linked to the convention business and their major investment in the convention center. It hurts everyone who used to be a loyal lower or mid level player.

the casinos talk about "loyalty programs" well there is no loyalty when it comes to $$ ."

#3 "Look I got screwed years ago at mandalay bay so I stopped playing there. Its part of the gamble. And next time ask me if I agree first before you start your attack. Also if you want to play the comps game be aware that they make the rules. Remember when caesars stopped their cash back? It cost me and others a lot of money because there was no notice."

But I am amazed that it is so important that I might take the casino's side. Gee-- someone went against the mob mentality, is that what's bothering you? Im a businessman, and yes, Ive done business with the casinos -- LOTS of them -- in different cities, including Stip and locals casinos in Vegas. And I can look at things from both sides. Is that wrong?

And I am still skeptical of the original post on blonde's forum. I really have trouble understanding that they would pull this guy's comped room only as part of a money saving program. As I said from the beginning, there are too many red flags. And if that person contacted me, I would do my best to find out what happened to him -- if he is standing by his story.


You've gone out of your way to justify the actions being taken by LVS, even if they would have done the same things to you. You have repeatedly attacked the credibility of the person who reported this action of having a confirmed reservation canceled by the casino because they did so using a screen name, and ignored Bonnie's link to statements made by others who have experienced the same thing. I'm pretty confident that your real name isn't MoneyLA.

For some strange reason, I suspect LVS stock in your portfolio is the driving force behind your attempt to discredit claims from unhappy customers while justifying the actions being taken by LVS.

Yes Rizzo. I recommended that they go to the casino, pay the casino rate, and then attempt to get the room comped. I said that because their "comp" was pulled only days before their planned trip. Did you expect me to tell them to skip their trip? It also seemed as though it was their first choice-- didnt it appear that way to you?

Yes, I stopped playing at Mandalay. But Im in Los Angeles, and I go to Vegas several times a month simply by getting in my car and going for a four hour drive. Switching hotels on short notice is very easy for me. No plane tickets, no advance planning involved.

And for the record, the first time I stayed at Caesars I wasnt comped -- I took a room not even at "casino rate." I checked in at "rack rate," and got a players card. And while I was playing a host came over to me and asked me if I had a host? From there, it was all comps.

No, Im not talking out of both ends. But I am flattered that you keep looking for something to trip me up.

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Bob, you make me laugh. I don't need this message board to make my opinion about a company or stock known. I have better ways to broadcast my opinions.
Doesn't make a lot of sense to pay the casino rate and then *hope* their play will get the room charge comped when their level of play is what triggered the abrupt cancellation of the room to begin with. It would seem to me that they could drastically increase their level of play and still not get the room comped. I'd go with a totally comped room somewhere else. Just out of curiosity though ........ I would have asked the V/P what kind of play is expected for a comped room these days. Might be good for a laugh if nothing else.

Add me to the list of folks who will not be making mu usual *donation* to the V/P casino/ and restaurants in the future. That comp should have been honored.
I guess this is ANOTHER issue altogether, but, some people can't afford to have a SURPRISE bill at the end of their stay.

I have no idea what DShort's financial situation is ...I am only speaking for myself.

Before I leave on a trip I have my finances all planned out. I know how much I am spending on transportation, food, shows etc.
I do not factor room expenses into the equation because my rooms have always been comped...and I am CERTAIN of this before I ever leave home.

I would not be comfortable with the "You MAY be comped at the end of your stay" situation.
For instance, on a recent trip to Venetian I got food poisoning and spent the majority of my three day stay puking in their lovely rooms.

Did I play less than usual....I sure did. But it wasn't anyone's fault.
I sure would have hated to have a huge bill at the end of my stay...in addition to my food poisoning...lol.
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