Venetian/Palazzo RESCINDING offers that have already been booked!!!

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Originally posted by: bardolator2
Thank you for the additional input. How you managed to gamble enough to reach Gold while losing only $187 at Venetian's odds for games is worthy of an extended report which many of us would enjoy reading.





ever heard of a thing called LUCK? I did something like 90,000 points in 2008 at V/P and had a win on my win loss of about $3K.
You've hit it on the head Karen! I've got no "secret stategies" for my play - I just play the games I enjoy and take whatever comes back to me from them. This past year was good - $187 loss at Venetian/Palazzo, mainly on slots, but a whole lot of goodies on them! A "win" total would have been even better, but when I consider what I've gotten from V/P in rooms, freeplay, meals & show, I think it was $187 well spent!

Blonde - I don't know what magic my host is working, all I know is he called me (I didn't intend to even try contacting him until this whole issue blew over) and I will take what he offers me at face value for now & see how it works. Have your friends contacted their hosts directly or are they just going by the website offers page? Because I thought I was out of luck too, since my Grazie page shows no offers, but my host is able to still make me offers despite nothing showing up there.
Sheldon Adelson really seems to be putting his eggs in the convention basket, and the overseas market. Bloomberg has a report that he's asking Singapore for more land (to expand his Sands Macau, not for gambling but convention space!), AND he's in serious discussions with Spain to open a mini-Vegas strip there, presumably with a casino but also with plenty of convention space. Sheldon made his money in conventions--he was the founder of Comdex.

Here is the link: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-17/adelson-asks-singapore-for-more-land-as-6-billion-resort-runs-out-of-room.html
Have a similar story like Mistrhia. My last offer in Dec '10 from V/P was for $700 promo slot / table play, + 2 free tix to Phantom + dining credits along with 3 comp nights. When I tried to book it, my host informed me that all those had upfront promo credits and free shows were no longer being honored. However, he said he could still give me the rooms comp'd + $200 FB. I declined, and stayed at Caesar's Palace instead.

Yes, Karen, I have heard of it, and I'm sure your fans enjoyed your reports just as some of us might enjoy this person's report.
Mistrhia, please keep us posted and congrats on receiving the comped room from V/P.
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Originally posted by: VegasWatcher
Sheldon Adelson really seems to be putting his eggs in the convention basket, and the overseas market. Bloomberg has a report that he's asking Singapore for more land (to expand his Sands Macau, not for gambling but convention space!), AND he's in serious discussions with Spain to open a mini-Vegas strip there, presumably with a casino but also with plenty of convention space. Sheldon made his money in conventions--he was the founder of Comdex.

Here is the link: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-17/adelson-asks-singapore-for-more-land-as-6-billion-resort-runs-out-of-room.html

That strategy might work well for LVS foreign properties, but a shift to a primary focus on conventions in Las Vegas in a way that alienates a rather large segment of prior customers who stayed at the properties and were loyal as to dedicating their gaming dollars to those properties is a gamble in itself. As has already been expressed, it is as if the casinos at V/P are being treated like they are an inconvenient but necessary amenity.

Having been involved in convention organization for a rather small collector's annual meeting in Las Vegas, I know how lucrative conventions are to host casino/hotels. A group wanting guaranteed space for however many days must include expected/guaranteed blocks of paid for rooms at a rate that is higher than what can be found elsewhere for the same rooms at the same property. My own experience involves a need for about 25,000 feet of meeting space for 3 days, + a bit of extra time for setup and tear down. Tell the host casino your group will book 700 room nights at a rate twenty or thirty percent above the rates available to anyone on the hotel's website for the same nights, and the host hotel will rent you the space you need, and require minimum catering expenses that will total $25,000-$30,000 or more. This is contractual money guaranteed by the convention organizers. The room nights reserved at the inflated convention rates cannot be comped back to you at the end of the stay. They are treated like third-party bookings. For conventions that require less space, some organizations will agree to guaranteed room blocks at double the standard rates to keep the costs of upfront space and catering cost requirements lower. It is a lucrative business for casino/hotels in a strong economy. In a weak or depressed economy, there will be fewer conventions. That's when the casinos need customers with a verifiable gaming history occupying their rooms. Not reaching out to them at every level during these difficult economic times is a mistake IMO.
Bob. Im going to take a guess that the MBAs hired by Adelson have run the numbers. My guess is they are going to let the lower end and mid level gamblers take advantage of all the comps they can get at other properties -- and there sure are lots of properties with lots of casino space and hotel rooms to cater to them.

LVS must be saying-- why bother to compete? let these customers go. and instead they focus on customers who do not shop for comps or promotions but only want the convenience of being near the LV Convention Center and the Sands Convention Center.

Forgive this analogy, but I think it makes the point: If you think you are going to make a profit just selling Cadillacs, do you also have to sell Kias?

There are businesses -- like supermarkets and Walmart -- they have a tiny % markup and depend on volume to make their profits. And then there are businesses like Rodeo Drive jewelry stores who make one sale a day or a week to make their profit. The Rodeo Drive store is happy catering to its single high end buyer each day -- because that is its business model. The supermarket needs lots of buyers with a 1% profit margin to make its business model work.

Now, lets take your comment "casinos need customers with a verifiable gaming history occupying their rooms. Not reaching out to them at every level during these difficult economic times is a mistake."

You actually are making two points here, one of which I agree with. I agree that casinos need customers with a verifiable gaming history occupying their rooms.

What I disagree with, if I read your comment correctly, is that a casino must reach out to players "at every level." No, you want players at the "level" that will generate the profits.

I am sure the Rodeo Drive jewelry store cannot switch from 10-carat diamond rings to $3.99 costume jewelry and still cover its costs-- even though by selling $3.99 costume jewelry it will have more shoppers in its store.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA<b>Now, lets take your comment "casinos need customers with a verifiable gaming history occupying their rooms. Not reaching out to them at every level during these difficult economic times is a mistake."

You actually are making two points here, one of which I agree with. I agree that casinos need customers with a verifiable gaming history occupying their rooms.

What I disagree with, if I read your comment correctly, is that a casino must reach out to players "at every level." No, you want players at the "level" that will generate the profits.

I am sure the Rodeo Drive jewelry store cannot switch from 10-carat diamond rings to $3.99 costume jewelry and still cover its costs-- even though by selling $3.99 costume jewelry it will have more shoppers in its store.


Rodeo Drive jewelry stores never had an established customer base of costume jewelry buyers because they never offered such merchandise.

This goes back to my previous post where I suggested that if the V/P doesn't want to appeal to lower level gamblers, they should remove all lower level games. If those games don't generate a profit, get rid of them. However, they do generate a profit and they will remain on the floor. It's still Sheldon's bruised ego that is driving this move. I have no respect for arrogant billionaires and I won't feel sorry for him if/when this move costs him a significant loss in revenue. It isn't the matter of making comp level play requirements higher. It is the matter of rescinding booked and confirmed comped offers. The selective short-notice retroactive invocation of new policy smells real bad. That stink now surrounds the entire company. As it should.

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