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jphelan

Oct 27, 2016
11:21am

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How about a Birth Certificate? I hear our President even has one!

malibber2

Oct 27, 2016
11:28am

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Originally posted by: jphelan
How about a Birth Certificate? I hear our President even has one!

You know the last time I got my license renewed I had to drive for an hour and a half to my birth city and plunk down $45 to get a copy of my birther certificate. But an interesting point poor people having to cough up more money to simply vote. It is easier to buy a gun than it is to get a photo ID.

malibber2

Oct 27, 2016
11:30am

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Sidebar question: How many of you go to the polls to vote? I haven't in more than a decade. Here, 70 percent of registered voters are on the Permanent Early Voting list and participate by mail. I voted two weeks ago from my recliner.

I do as I see it as sort of a tradition like going to the big game vs. watching it on TV.

jphelan

Oct 27, 2016
12:24pm

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In Illinois, you can get a state ID card for a nominal fee ($20 or free under certain circumstances), but you need to prove your identity (see below). This seems reasonable to me. You can also get a birth certificate for $10 - again reasonable. You need a birth certificate to enter school and you need an ID to cash a check or get on a plane. I don't find vote ID onerous to anyone and I am sure there are charitable organizations that will help pay the fee for obtaining a state issued ID if people cannot afford the $20. In fact, don't you need a state ID (or social security card) to apply for financial assistance like SNAP, Medicaid, CHIP, etc?

To apply for a brand new Illinois ID card, you must visit an IL Driver Services facility. You will need to bring:
An original document proving your written signature (e.g. credit card, court order, or driver's license).
An original document proving your date of birth (e.g. birth certificate, passport, or high school transcript).
An original document proving your Social Security number (e.g. Social Security card, IL driver's license record, or military service record).
2 original documents proving your Illinois residency (e.g. bank statement, credit report, or utility bills).
Payment for the applicable fee (please see “Illinois Identification Card Fees" below).
A full list of acceptable documents is available online.

You qualify for a free IL identification card if you:
Are 65 years old or older. Your ID card will have no expiration date.
Have a disability. You must submit an Application for an Illinois Person with a Disability Identification Card (Form DSD X 164) completed by your doctor. Your ID card will be valid for 10 years.
Are homeless. You must submit a completed Homeless Status Certification form (Form DSD A 230).

jphelan

Oct 28, 2016
12:11am

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I'm glad voterID is not necessary.

Wouldn't it prevent the dead from voting?

Dead Vote in Chicago

And it Ain't Just Happening in Chicago

Why not just show your drivers license, passport, OR social security card? The social security numbers should be validated against a database to eliminate the dead voters.

Terry Locke

Oct 28, 2016
2:22am

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Originally posted by: jphelan
I'm glad voterID is not necessary.

Wouldn't it prevent the dead from voting?

Dead Vote in Chicago

And it Ain't Just Happening in Chicago

Why not just show your drivers license, passport, OR social security card? The social security numbers should be validated against a database to eliminate the dead voters.

You might consider linking to stories that support your position. From you second link:

"It’s true that she committed voter fraud. But it’s also true that she was caught, charged, and punished for it. These aren’t the days of ballot box stuffing, and while errors do occur, significant discrepancies are typically spotted and acted upon. Perhaps, even more importantly, she was charged with 19 counts over a series of elections between 2009 and 2012, in which she placed one or two extra votes in Bridgeport Town Council elections, a city of some 150,000 people. It is exceedingly unlikely that her extra votes had any impact whatsoever.

Conversely, according to a report from the Brennan Center for Justice, up to 11 percent of voters could be rendered unable to vote by voter ID laws. A restriction that, unlike one or two extra votes, could have a significant impact on elections, and one that demonstrably impacts poor people and minorities very disproportionately.

Of course, all of this ignores one other important fact. Ayala’s voter fraud could not have been prevented by a voter ID law.

Ayala executed her crime by voting in elections in districts where she was registered as living, but did not actually live, something that presenting ID would do nothing to prevent.

Voter fraud does exist and does happen, and nobody denies that. But it is so rare as to be statistically nonexistent, and the few fraudulent votes that are placed have in all probability never changed the results of a single election. This is something that can’t be said of voter ID laws, which many proponents admit. Politicians who have fought to enact strict voter ID laws have repeatedly stated on record that they believe them to have impacted the 2008 Presidential election results.

So, while the story now being circulated is true, it’s not only out of date, but it draws conclusions that simply can’t be rationally drawn from the example. If anything, the story of Christina Ayala and her 19 counts of voter fraud demonstrate that it’s simply not a problem we need to worry about.

Read more at https://www.inquisitr.com/3557550/democrat-christina-ayala-did-commit-19-counts-of-voter-fraud-but-its-not-new-and-its-not-common/#taiYD7Ef6cxWJSte.99"

^ From your post.

hoops2

Oct 28, 2016
2:42am

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The brennan center by its own admission is a left wing operation, so their claim of 11% is dubious.

There are over 210m people in the US with drivers licenses in the US, but only 146m registered voters, so there seems to be a disconnect in the claim that millions of people don't have valid id's

IndyBoilerman

Oct 28, 2016
7:59am

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Mally has a point. Stupid people, lazy people, and especially stupid lazy people tend to vote Democrat.

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How about this....Let someone vote one time with no ID. Give them contact information for an organization that will help them get ID at no cost. If they show up at the polls again with no ID...No Vote For You.
That's the cool thing about dealing with a nonexistent problem. There are so many ways to fix it!

But I'm sure you would allow people to use their existing ID's that have been highly vetted, you know like public college and university identification and food stamp ID. EVERYONE else would have to go through your sometimes laborious process to get the proper ID, right?

Just kidding. That would be just as unfair as giving a pass to everyone who is licensed to drive a car. Favoring any demographic group when it comes to voting is disgraceful and un-American, and I'm sure no one here would want any part of it.
Anyone who doesn't have an ID and wants to vote should be helped to get an ID. It's a pretty simple concept. It helps them. It helps assure fair elections. It's a win/win.

Whether or not it's been a problem in the past, it just isn't unreasonable to ask a voter for identification. Just because you've never been robbed doesn't mean it's smart to leave your garage door open or your house unlocked. We should be smart enough to figure out how to assure a person is who he claims when voting without suppressing anyone's vote.
"Anyone who doesn't have an ID?" So anyone with food stamp, college student, or union membership identification should automatically qualify, while everyone else should have to go through some sort of hassle?

No, that would be unfair. NO ONE should have a head start in the process. Even people who drive cars.
In my opinion, the real problem isn't that it's unfair. It's that the process to get an ID isn't very efficient. Fix that and the 99% of the non-problem goes away. Democrats should be happy because everyone who wants to vote gets to vote. Republicans should be happy they don't needlessly have to fret about voter fraud. Poor voters who don't have ID get to vote and get a nice new ID that will help them in other aspects of their lives. Everyone wins. Except Democrats and Republicans who just want to bitch at each other and not solve problems.

Of course we can even add in the Canadian alternate process. If you are too poor or busy or lost your ID or just can't get it together enough to get an acceptable ID.....whatever, You can have another voter take an oath and vouch for you. You just both need to make a sworn statement. I'm Ok with that too.

They must take their voting seriously in Canada...and you don't hear about 'voter suppression' up there.

You assume their real motivation is voter fraud, and not trimming the voter rolls of voters that are likely to vote for Democrats. Your entire premise is wrong. Demographics are shifting away from the Republican party, so the only way for them to win is finding more and more ways to keep Democratic voters away from the polls.

forkushV

Oct 28, 2016
9:22am

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Originally posted by: hoops2
The brennan center by its own admission is a left wing operation, so their claim of 11% is dubious.

There are over 210m people in the US with drivers licenses in the US, but only 146m registered voters, so there seems to be a disconnect in the claim that millions of people don't have valid id's

Math was never your strong suit, was it?

forkushV

Oct 28, 2016
10:05am

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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
Mally has a point. Stupid people, lazy people, and especially stupid lazy people tend to vote Democrat...

Really?

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