VP/when to save the kicker ?/ddbpoker

The only time you hold the kicker in DDB is when your dealt 4 A's,2's,3's or 4's with said kicker.

I got a question. Anytime I'm dealt a 4OAK where the hand can't be improved, for example 4 kings dealt in DDB, I hold all 5 cards since there is no sense drawing another card. Anyone else do that?

The reason I do it is cause a few years ago a slot attendant (At Von's) told me she witnessed a lady get dealt 4 2's on regular DW $1 and threw away the 5th card and got another deuce! She told me it was deemed a misdeal and the lady didn't get paid.

King, are you saying a machine showed FIVE deuces? This just cannot happen.

The above comments about not holding kickers when dealt pairs or trips are all correct.

I learned this lesson about six years ago when on a 50play DDB machine I was dealt AAA2X and held the three aces with the deuce. out of the 50 hands, I did pick up the fourth ace on two hands. I thought I did the right thing (just started playing VP) but when the slot attendant came to attend to my jackpot (it was a $1, fifty play machine) she looked at me and then used her hand and motioned as if she were slapping my face and said "shame on you." thats when I bought my first VP book and started learning.

I often wonder how much more I would have won had I not held the kicker, or if in fact I did maximize the win. The math says I should have won more. But I guess I'll never know.

KingBB, I also hold all 5 cards when dealt a quad that can't be improved by drawing another card. I was taught to do this to avoid machine malfunctions.

Good point, I do this also.

I do it also, but for two reasons:

1: To avoid machine malfunctions,ng,
2: To increase my hands played per hour. I also hit a button to stop the pays and get the score at once. As pretty as the sound of credits being racked up is, I still find the noise annoying. :::shrug:::

Not to start this debate again, either, but how is a machine less likely to malfunction if you hold all 5 cards versus holding 4 cards and it dealing a replacement?

Either way, the computer needs to go through the exact same sequence it did for the last hundred or thousand hands you just played where it determines if any replacement cards are needed, deals them (if needed), then evaluates your final hand.

The story of, "I know someone whose cousin knew a lady who was dealt a fifth deuce" is either an old wives' tale, or something that happened on a Video Poker machine that was made 40 years ago and had a problem with its programming, something that hasn't been reported to have happened on any modern-day machine.

I mean, whatever, I don't care if people hold their fifth card or not (and really, it might be helpful to make sure there isn't a player "malfunction" by accidentally discarding the wrong card), but I fail to see how the computer is more or less likely to have a malfunction based on whether or not you hold four or five cards.

The reason I was taught to hold all 5 cards when dealt a quad that can't be improved by drawing another card,
is not because of a possible machine malfunction, but because of possible human error (me).

It is possible to hold a wrong card, especially if excited, distracted or on an unfamiliar machine.
This is especially noticable when one has switched machines, after previously playing on a machine with a friendlier button-line-up configuration.



HOLD - HOLD - HOLD - HOLD - HOLD (that always sounds so good)


Rick

I agree with Knagl in the point he made about the 5th deuce story....it is ALWAYS coming from a friend of a friend, of a sisters 2nd cousin, that this happened to.

Nobody here, or anyone I know has ever witnessed it.

If it DID happen back in the early 60's, the technology that these machines use these days, it is likely NEVER to be seen

Personally I hold all 5 cards when dealt a quad that cannot be improved, but it is not because I am afraid of a malfunction.

I do it because there is no reason NOT to do it. If you can't improve the hand, then why bother holding only the 4 quad cards? Is it because you just want to see what card comes out?

Some might care about that 5th card (why I have no idea), but it means nothing to me and that will only delay the machine I am playing from counting up all my credits that I just won. heh heh

But what the hell... to each his own.

I am not saying that you have to play my way...I am just explaining why I do what I do.

--Rizzo

I agree with Knagl and Rizzo on this. At least holding what you have as awinner already will prevent you discarded one of the winning cards accidentily.
The only problem I do see is if you are playing ddb you might forget you can still catch the kicker. Pay attention to the game you are playing . I am a novice at VP and I could see me doing something stupid like that . Not that I am stupid .LOL

"I do it because there is no reason NOT to do it. "

Yes, that's why I do it, too. The idea that you're guarding against machine malfunction was told to me by someone many years ago. I don't believe the "5th deuce story" ever happened.