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IndyBoilerman

Jan 27, 2017
5:38am

Yes I agree, yet I don't believe that I've ever heard a Liberal admit that high taxes and high regulatory costs on American business pushes some business overseas. You, apparently, are the first.

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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
Liberals have argued.......well, forever it seems, that high taxation and the general high cost of producing stuff in America doesn't chase American business overseas. In contrast, a model of additional taxation on Mexican goods will chase away Mexican business?

Please explain.

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Perhaps someone can explain this.
Shouldn't the tax be on what Mexico imports from us, making the Mexicans pay 20% more for the goods they buy? Or at least on the goods American companies export to Mexico, raising the price of the stuff in Mexico? Instead, they propose raising the price of Mexican beer, tequila and fruit by a fifth to us.
Thank Gawd we know Trump is looking out for us, otherwise this would look suspiciously like a royal screwing.

The overall idea is to artificially raise the price of Mexican imports. Then, American products (or imports from other countries) will be cheaper and will be purchased instead of Mexican products. This will (supposedly) hurt the Mexican economy and Mexico will get on it's knees to Trump and say "Por favor Sr. Trump, aquí es todo nuestro dinero, usted puede construir la pared ahora."
Well, at least that's how the Ego-in-chief see's it.
But that doesn't make it a bad idea. It's a good idea actually. A VERY good idea. HUGE. Huge idea.

And Trump really is looking out for the American people. He just has a really bad public delivery problem, otherwise known as his mouth. But the business models and proposals are sound and proven.

So we get the double benefits of paying more money for the products we use and get to see Mexico's economy collapse.Why was it that the Mexicans were going north again? Something about no jobs in their country?
If a 20% tax will slowly strangle their economy,let's make it 100%.
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I'm sorry, I'd be happy to discuss this, but I'm not sure what you'd like explained?
American companies producing goods in China results in lower costs to Americans. For example- Mattel closes a factory in NJ and moves to China, where they produce 20 million hot wheels. Bad for the thousand folks in Jersey, but good for 250 million Americans as we save money on the toys we buy. Good for Mattel, and Mattels shareholders as they save money and sell more toys.
Do you agree with this?

billryan

Jan 27, 2017
6:55am

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When workers in New Jersey get paid $15 an hour and the ones in China make 20 cents an hour, is it really taxes that Chase companies overseas?
A few years ago, I was an investor in a startup that was going to make high end plastic soldiers for Civil War playsets. We had the molds made domestically, but no one here could come close to competing with the final product price. Using Chinise factories, we could sell a set for $18 wholesale. With an American manufacturer, we couldn't get it under $44.
In the end, we didn't think there was a large enough market for wholesale and two of the partners bought us out to do direct marketing.
In our case, it was the market that dictated overseas manufacturing, not taxes or regulations.
I think thats the case in most businesses.

jatki

Jan 27, 2017
8:41am

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So Billy is a big believer in illegal immigration costing cities to shut down emergency rooms and to give sanctuary to murderers and to cost Americans over 113 billion per year.

How much money do illegal aliens spend in the economy each year....and spend in local taxes? Good luck finding an economist on either side of the aisle that will tell you removing 11 million people is of any financial benefit to the economy and tax base.

Well PJ most of the held by illegals pay what, five bucks an hour? that's not a tremendous amount for a tax base plus if those huys aren't working them any longer the jobs still have to be filled. The employers are gonna have to pay a lot more than five bucks an hour to fill 'em so it should create a larger tax base shouldn't it? Let's face it, the avg American isn't going to do any shit jobs for min. wage either, I'd say it'd take 10+ at least for some of them.

pjstroh

Jan 27, 2017
9:18am

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So Billy is a big believer in illegal immigration costing cities to shut down emergency rooms and to give sanctuary to murderers and to cost Americans over 113 billion per year.

How much money do illegal aliens spend in the economy each year....and spend in local taxes? Good luck finding an economist on either side of the aisle that will tell you removing 11 million people is of any financial benefit to the economy and tax base.

1) You are presuming AMericans will wash dishes and pick canteloupes at any salary. Ask farmers in Alabama what happened to their farms when the state kicked out the illegals.
Crops rotted in the field...and restaurants had lots of dirty dishes

2) Illegals don't get social security or medicare....but they do pay local taxes. They also live paycheck to paycheck which means about 100% of their income goes right back into the economy.

I'm all for making an immigration overhaul that makes it harder for employers to exploit these people and hire them illegally at a wage beneath set minimums. But to say these people cost our country more money than they contribute simply has no basis in fact.

billryan

Jan 27, 2017
11:41am

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Going rate for "day laborers" on Long Island is $100 for landscaping and $125 for painters. More for roofers.
Can't speak for the rest of the country, but I doubt many are working for $5. The advantage they offer employers are no overtime pay, no payroll tax, no workmanship comp and willingness to work 10-12 hour days.

lvfritz

Jan 27, 2017
1:00pm

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We've carefully tip toed around the subject of gov't benefits......what medicaid, food stamps and education costs are there? Or am I to believe they are all young, healthy and self sustaining?

billryan

Jan 27, 2017
4:33pm

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In NY, school costs are paid by property taxes. I think they are all over the country, as well.
People who rent pay those taxes as part of their rent, no matter what there immigration status is. Home owners pay them, no matter their status.
It's been six years since I worked on the Census, but at the time the typical illegal was an unmarried 34 year old male. I doubt that has changed all that much. At the time, almost as many had entered the country legally and simply overstayed their visas. Not sure how a wall will prevent that.

IndyBoilerman

Jan 27, 2017
9:20pm

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Originally posted by: billryan
When workers in New Jersey get paid $15 an hour and the ones in China make 20 cents an hour, is it really taxes that Chase companies overseas?
A few years ago, I was an investor in a startup that was going to make high end plastic soldiers for Civil War playsets. We had the molds made domestically, but no one here could come close to competing with the final product price. Using Chinise factories, we could sell a set for $18 wholesale. With an American manufacturer, we couldn't get it under $44.
In the end, we didn't think there was a large enough market for wholesale and two of the partners bought us out to do direct marketing.
In our case, it was the market that dictated overseas manufacturing, not taxes or regulations.
I think thats the case in most businesses.

IndyBoilerman

Jan 27, 2017
9:51pm

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There are lots of reasons that domestic companies can't compete, one of which is labor costs. There are plenty of other things that send jobs overseas, however. The NE, for example, has had a shortage of natural gas pipelines, making it more expensive to live in the NW, This increases the cost of living, thus pushing labor costs up. This lack of pipeline capacity makes it far more expensive for the petrochemical industry (my business) to do business there, so no company builds a plant. The Federal government is a bloated pig that does nothing but suck up money, and get in the way of business. Cut the federal government payroll by 50%.

How about more oil pipelines, allowing sweet and sour crudes to flow to the refineries built to consume crude of a specific sulfur content? Allow this crude to move to the refineries through economical pipelines, versus the crazy expensive (and environmentally dangerous) rail system.

How about being reasonable regarding environmental regulations. The EPA is an out of control organization run, not by environmentalists, but by anti-capitalists. We Trump voters are sick and tired of being told by the Left that we don't care about the environment, especially by some NYC "dude" who doesn't know the difference between a duck and a goose.

To keep jobs in America, Trump must find ways to decrease the cost of doing business in America. Part of this must be weakening unions, cutting regulatory costs, cutting taxes, decreasing natural gas costs, decreasing the cost of food by eliminating the use of ethanol for auto fuel.

Every cost cutting measure must be utilized. Just get government out of the way.

Trump will ruffle lots of feathers, but he'll get most of wishes. The more he succeeds, that faster and stronger the economic recovery will be.

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BeelzeBob

Jan 27, 2017
11:33pm

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I think the US should have the same immigration policy as Mexico

You mean this immigration policy?

I'm shocked I tell you, absolutely shocked that Billy has said nothing about Mexico's policy of keeping neighbors to their south out.

That image shows the border between Arizona and Mexico. The original image is here:
https://www.defendersblog.org/2013/06/on-the-line-walls-waivers-and-wildlife/

The photographer stated he was documenting how the walls alter wildlife habitat.

According to a variety of sources, other than in a few places near larger towns there are no border walls between Mexico and Guatemala.

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