What casino game is decided only by the player?

Get a pop-o-matic. The best randomized ever invented.

according to arc... its not random because its all based on where the dice landed before...

just like the roulette wheel... it was black before, so it must be red next...

yes Kaypea... just as you said, its all up to the stickman and the dealers and the boxman and the floorman to decide the game. I cant tell you how many times the dice showed 4 and 4 but the dealers and suits in unison said it was 3 and 3.

I can't tell you how many times that happened. Really, I can't tell you how many times that happened.

You were done a long time ago. All you are doing is continuing to make yourself look foolish.

No, I never said it was "where" the dice landed, although that can be a factor, it is the position of the dice (or configuration if that helps you understand) that has a bigger effect on the next throw. To top it off you are the guys claiming it is ALL the shooter. So, don't go claiming I'm saying it's ALL based on anything. I'm the one saying it's based on MANY things. I guess when you can't support your own claims you think lying will help. No, it only makes you look even more inept.

Your analogy to roulette is total nonsense just like your silly attempt to describe how computers work. What is it with you and money where you continue to comment on things you obviously know nothing about?

OK, Arc, you win. Im foolish. Till next time. Oh, be sure you pick up those dice EXACTLY how the dealer pushes them to you.

The craps table may be a fixed item, but it's another variable because the shooter has no control of how the dice will move on it. The shooter loses all control of the end result when he/she lets go of the dice. A shooter could throw the dice at the same spot, speed, and angle every throw and end up with different results each time because the dice may simply just react differently each time. Simply throwing the dice onto an object adds another variable that the shooter has no control of. No game is decided by only the player. The shooter is just the first person to start a reaction which will eventually create an end result. The dice bouncing off the table, corners, and anything else are other factors the shooter has no control of. If the shooter had control of it then he/she could always create the same end result. That is not the case.

Once again you guys are lying. I never stated anyone picked up the " dice EXACTLY how the dealer pushes them to you", only that the position of the dice given to you affects the next throw. Even if you change the position in your hand you won't change it exactly the same when given position is different. For example, if you place a 4 and 2 up in your hand do you look at the position of the 4 sides? Thought not.

The more you guys scramble the more obvious it becomes that you never think anything through.

The big problem here is the use of the word "only". Smart people understand that generalizations don't often work. Using words like "only", "always", "never", etc. rarely describes anything in our analog world. Had the original claim been more general, like the game where the player has the "most" impact on the result then it might still be debated, but it wouldn't be so obvious that the statement was completely wrong.

I haven't seen that one. But I have seen where on die will land at an angle against the wall or stack of chips. If the result is the point the stickman, or more usually the boxman, will call "no roll". However if the same landing position results in a seven the call will be "seven out". Sometimes a die that lands behind a stack of chips during a hot roll where only the dealer and boxman can see it will miraculously become a seven.

Next time this happens to me I'll call the result and insist that since I'm the player that I get to decide the outcome of the game.

actually, kaypea the example I gave you is physically impossible as the 3s and 4s are on opposite sides of the dice. so there is absolutely no way that a hard six could be confused with a hard eight or vice versa.

garthman: I agree that the craps table is fixed. so what is the other variable? gee, it must be how the shooter throws the dice, isn't it? Or is there another variable that I am missing? Oh, air currents, mini earthquakes, cocktail waitresses? yeah, I get it now. Never mind. the shooter does not decide the fate of the dice-- mini earthquakes, air currents and cocktail waitresses... they are the factors that decide.

thanks for clearing this up.