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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
guys, the player does not have to CONTROL the outcome. it is a random game. But only the Player (the shooter) sets the dice on its path. if the dice hit a pyramid or hit a stack of chips it is because the shooter threw the dice in such a way that they hit the pyramid or the stack of chips.
there is no outside influence affecting the game.
the game is two dice being thrown on a table, and to that only the shooter does the work. there is no other variable in the game such as an RNG or a shuffle of cards.
you seem to think that because the game is random (not talking about DI here) that the shooter is not responsbile for the dice. well, only the shooter is responsible for the dice.
and Arc, please, no craps table is on a soft carpet that would be affected when someone leans on the table. please. if you are going to create scenarios, at least make them a bit realistic. and all craps tables are unique, even if they are made with the same specs -- every craps player knows that. but we also know that the craps table doesnt move the dice. we know that the dice move on the craps table.
what is amazing is that all of this back and forth is over a basic concept that the shooter throws two dice and the result of that throw determines the game, and that there is no shuffle of cards, no RNG, no spinning wheel or anything by a third party. its all the shooter. and we've gone eight pages because some of you think that a random game somehow takes the end result away from the shooter-- when it is the shooter who is participating in a random game.
wow.
What is amazing is that you actually believe the end result is actually all because of the shooter. The shooter is meaningless in the game because the end result is always different. The dice influence themselves by their shape. The table influences the roll with its shape and walls. The player is simply the person who starts the process that will eventually create an end result after several factors occur in which influence and change the outcome. It's eight pages because you don't understand simple concepts that the shooter isn't the only influence on the game. Like I have said before the shooter could throw the dice at the same spot, speed, and angle every single roll and the outcome can be different. You just choose to ignore the reality of that. Your simple question asks what game is only decided by the player? The simple answer is none. The player doesn't decide the outcome therefore no casino game is decided by ONLY the player. Get over it.
