What casino game is decided only by the player?

I think Plinko is the only game on The Price is Right that is decided only by the player...because the player drops the disk into the board. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

This is where you are WRONG garthman. You wrote: " Most of us already know that if someone tossed the dice the same way each time the results will still not be the same."

If the dice were thrown the exact same way each time, the results WOULD be the same. This is a basic law of physics.

What makes the result different is that the dice are NOT thrown the same way each time. There is NO way for a human to replicate the EXACT SAME THROW.

You keep on saying that the table will create a random response. It creates a randon response ONLY because the shooter throws the dice differently each and every time.

And I will say it one more time-- in slots and VP and roulette and blackjack there is another process which has nothing to do with the player. When Arcimedes stops the RNG his expert strategy might win or it might lose-- because he has no way of knowing WHERE the RNG is stopping and on what cards it will show.

johnzimbo, if Plinko were played in a casino then yes it would be another game in which only the player determines the outcome. Plinko is like craps. In plinko the player drops the disk and the plinko pins do not move. in craps the player throws the dice and the "obstacles" on the craps table do not move.

(I hope I correctly understand how Plinko works since I dont watch TPIR)

You're right..... in a "perfect" world. You have one major flow though, and that is we don't live in a perfect world. We live in a world where the smallest things can influence and change the results. All of those little small things people have mentioned that you dismissed cause change the roll. You just can't seem to accept that though.

Plinko the puck is forced to go down a specific slope that forces the puck to gain velocity that takes any human influence out of the equation.

In craps, the dice are not forced down such a path. The velocity angle and rotation of the dice from the shooters hand is not influenced or changed in any way until the dice meet the table or back wall (or even chips or the stick mans hand)

The shooter can throw the dice in such a way the dice come to a stop in an influenced manner so much that money and myself have been barred from shooting dice in a couple of big properties in vegas that many of you love to double book...

When is the last time a video poker player sat at a machine with a stop watch trying to time his slaps of the button and was kicked out for doing so?

garthman, I do accept those "little things." and those little things such as a tilting table, extra gravitational pull of a full moon, burst of wind because a door is opened, hand gets in the way are indeed those "accidents." But I think we are now in agreement that the craps table is fixed and in a perfect world (I will concede that) the only variable is the shooter.

if craps were played in a sealed environment without air currents, without extra gravitational influences, without a 300 pound man leaning on the table the laws of physics would dictate that the shooter alone will decide how the dice will roll and hit and bounce on the table.

I will concede to you there are other variables... whatever impact they have, they have.

kaypea... you wrote: "So craps is a random game by design, but the shooter can overcome that randomness and control the dice to decide the outcome, unlike other games where the payer has no control and the results are completely random."

yes, craps is a random game because of obstacles on the table, but the shooter could overcome those obstacles by controlling the dice. However, NO ONE claims that they can control the dice.

In other games the player does have some control and the results are NOT completely random. Take for example, blackjack where cards can be counted and knowledge of the game allows a player to decide if he should hit or stand. And in video poker, knowledge of the game can tell a player when to break up a full house with three aces (DDB for example) and when to hold a full house with three aces (jacks or better).

I think I understand you, and if so, I agree with you.

I see where it could theoretically be possibly to take all of the variables of the table and room into account and compute the speed and trajectory of the dice in order to calculate the results or even alter one of the variables to get desired results. It would be beyond the capabilities of a human, but a well designed machine might could do it.

I would dance and be merry
Life would be a ding-a-derry
If I only had a positronic brain

Or a fistfull of Data's.

This is pure silliness. Have you every heard of gravity? Ever heard of basic physics? The shooter imparts kinetic energy to the dice. That energy is modified by the gravitational force and the physical attributes of the table that leads to the final result.