What casino game is decided only by the player?

Yes, Arc. There is a randomizing in throwing the dice. but only the Shooter is responsible for that. No other players. No dealers, no spinning wheels, no RNG.

now if you want to get "technical" and really nit pick which is what you like to do... the difference between the craps table and the video poker machine is that the craps table is constant and the video poker machine isnt. the random number generator presents a different selection of cards for each game, and in the case of the continuous shuffle RNG the cards are changing on the draw as well.

but yes, Arc, video poker is a solitary game. Its you against the RNG. You decide your own fate. But when you break up a full house with three aces in DDB and you dont get the quad aces with kicker you dont have to say "I screwed up," you simply say "the RNG didnt give me the cards I wanted."

In craps, when a shooter throws the dice and sevens-out, the shooter can only blame his own throw. On the other hand, when a shooter throws the dice and makes the pass, the shooter can take full credit because the craps table didn't reach out and turn the dice to show the winning combination.

I seemed to have missed the rule where you can not change the position of the dice or even pick them up from the exact point of the table the stick man pushed them... Now that you mention it... I have never seen anyone physically touch the dice, and position them in any way that they would like, or even pick them up into their hand and shake them around or even blow on them... I have never seen that before now that you mention it (I am being sarcastic by the way...)

ok.. this is what a lot of people are misunderstanding here...

In CRAPS, it is the only game where the direct action of the shooter determines the outcome of the game as a whole...

Example:

Craps.

Shooter throws the dice which determine the outcome of that specific game (each roll of the dice is a game). When the shooter throws a 4, the outcome of that game is 4 and everyone who bet the 4 or the field is going to win etc etc etc etc... When the shooter throws a 7, if a point has been established, everyone looses except those on the come and don't.

Shoother - Deciding Factor - Dice - Game



In Black Jack for example...

the DEALER gives a card, the PLAYER then can choose to hit or stay, the DEALER then pulls more cards from the shoe... The DEALER pulls cards... The CARDS control the outcome of that game.


In Video Poker...

The machine gives you cards, the player then can choose to hold any cards you want, But the cards dealt by the machine control the outcome of the game.


In Roulette...

You pick a number, the dealer spins the ball around the wheel, the ball drops on a number and determines the outcome of that game... dealer - ball - game


KENO...

you pick numbers (good luck), and the balls determine which numbers are going to win, no where does the player get near any device that can determine the number drawn...

Sorry, still no difference. The VP player is responsible for the exact timing of pressing the button and hence is just as responsible for the results as a craps player.

You can try and weasel word this topic to death. The facts remain the same. Both the VP player and the dice shooter initiate the play. In that sense they are part of the end result. However, there are randomizing agents outside their control and hence the final result is ultimately based on several other factors.

You're saying the timing of the VP player has no effect? What a load of nonsense.

Arc, you really are hopeless.

Go watch how the game of craps is played. One shooter throws the dice. How the dice bounce around is all because of how the shooter threw the dice.

And you make me laugh when you write things like "You're saying the timing of the VP player has no effect? What a load of nonsense." Are you going to tell us that you now have the skill and math to time the selection of cards by a continuous shuffle random number generator?

As I said, there is really no point in having any discussion about any gambling topic with Money. You could just as well have the exact same discussion with your dog. Money actually reads the stuff Rob Singer writes.

Money, I have seen craps played many times. Even if I hadn't seen it makes no difference as we've all played games based on rolling dice. The problem is you simply are unwilling to understand simple basic facts.

Now, I think we are now getting to the heart of the matter. Money really does believe a craps shooter can CONTROL the result. If that were possible then the craps shooter would have something a VP player does not have. He would be playing a non-random game. That would be the end of any comparison.

However, if we assume a craps shooter does NOT have control then all he said above was the process of rolling the dice is based on the shooter. Duh.

We all know the process of playing a VP hand is based on when the player presses the deal/draw button. These are essentially identical in function. In both cases the player is involved and in both cases the result is out of their control. The randomizing agents are different but since neither is in the control of the player, it matters not.

not even worth my time...

Yes, Arc, a craps shooter cannot CONTROL the result of his dice throw. But the dice throw is the result of how the shooter throws the dice. Think about that.