What Would It Take???

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Originally posted by: snidely333
The problem is what MrMarcus alluded to:

If the cards are non-random it is most likely fraud. In other words, on purpose. If the chip was criminally set to alter the number of royals with 4 to a royal from 1/47 to 1/70 it would be tough for a program to detect that. Could the program detect that? If not, the exercise is of limited utility.

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Originally posted by: EllenMonster
Frank, did you wind up marrying that girl from out of town?

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
I'm holding out for a panacea.

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Originally posted by: FrankKneeland

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Originally posted by: snidely333
The problem is what MrMarcus alluded to:

If the cards are non-random it is most likely fraud. In other words, on purpose. If the chip was criminally set to alter the number of royals with 4 to a royal from 1/47 to 1/70 it would be tough for a program to detect that. Could the program detect that? If not, the exercise is of limited utility.

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You guys keep wanting panaceas. There's no way to make a simple test that will be perfect or test for everything.

At best what I'd like to give people is something that puts things in proper perspective.

Let's say they walk into a casino, play 2500 hands and walk out convinced that the casino is cheating them. Then they get home enter their data and the utility tells them how likely that is to be the case.

I'm looking to create something slightly better than wild A. guessing.

On a science building in Chicago is chiseled, “When you cannot measure it...your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind”. ~Lord Kelvin

People are currently walking into casinos, playing as few as 2500 hands and walking out with all sorts of conclusions based on pure conjecture, anything has got to be better than that. Anything!

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Originally posted by: melbedewy
The real questions are:
1. Can they be gaffed;
2. Have they ever been gaffed;
3. Is the vague "loss of license" threat an absolute deterrent.

1. Of course they CAN be technologically gaffed-I think no one disputes this. As easy as switching an 8-5 chip for a 9-6 trip.
2. Yes they have. You yourself Frank once talked here or on Vpfree about irregularities from the Riviera or Sahara and that you spoke to someone and it was straightened out. Secondly-google Larry Volk- and see how hundreds of casinos swindled tens of thousands of people out of millions of dollars-with no sanction from Gaming. Or the Venetian gaffing drawings-with no loss of license. Or my daddy's advice that "where there is money there is cheating".
3. No casino has EVER lost their license for cheating customers. Not the Venetian. Not the Larry Volk casinos. Not anybody. By the way has ANY ONE here ever seen statistics from Gaming telling us how many VP machines they physically opened up last year (or any year) to confirm the kosherness of the chips? Me neither-and I've looked every inch of the internet.

I've seen too many people go on royal droughts of 200K hands or more and lost a bundle. Funny how none of the "Miilion Dollar Video Poker" people ever sell or even talk about the book "License to Steal : Nevada's Gaming Control System in the Megaresort Age" which details how casinos have cheated with near impunity. I was lucky enough to be a net winner over 25 years-and have a whole lot of fun doing it while soaking up everything Nevada, AC, Monte Carlo, Biloxi, Foxwoods, Mohegan and other spots in Europe had to offer..
No more AP for me baby. I play my quarter FPDW or NSUD nice and slow and enjoy those Manhattans and B & B on the rocks.

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