when pocket aces lose, and lose, and lose.

Played some poker tonight at the Bike near LA. Played in the $300-$500 buy in game. My first time at that level. Usually I play at the $100-$300 buy in game, but thought I would try something different.

Actually, there's nothing different.

But getting back to the title of this thread:

In one of my first hands at that table I had KsQs and doubled up... now $980 in front of me.

Very next hand I get AA and since I was in early position I made a big bet to limit my competition. One other player, a short stack, went all in and I called. He had 66 hit a six on the flop. Not much damage to me but that was the first AA loss that I saw.

Very next hand, player to my right gets AA but makes the mistake of not raising, so there are four players seeing the flop. Post flop AA starts betting big and two players keep calling his raises. Player with AA goes bust for his stack of abut $300 when another player hits two pair with 3-4 offsuit. The flop was J 3 4.

And then on the very next hand (three hands in a row) another player with AA loss to flush. In this case it was two big stacks against each other but they bet small against each other.

AA lost three hands in a row. For the next two hours did not see any more AA hands at the table -- of course someone may have had them but they never got to the showdown.

Are your complaining that 66 called your big bet and won against your AA, or bragging that 66 called your "big bet" when so heavily dominated?

I think he's just remarking that AA was dealt three times in a row and lost all three.

Many players dwell on these things, as if they are somehow important or significant. This type of distraction is the source for all sorts of promotions, bad beat jackpots, aces cracked, etc.

I think it was just an observation,nothing more.
I know whenever playing home games, I seem to ALWAYS lose whenever i get pocket aces. I should just raise and fold right then,keep me from all subsequent betting LOL

J

Doyle said AA either win a small pot or lose a large pot.

It was an observation guys. A point of interest. Nothing more.

Your leaving out a boatload of info as to the why's. How was the players playing, loose or tight? Slow playing or normal play? Table perceptions go a long way as to if people bet or not. I play tight, and typically if I make a big raise, I'll usually take the pot very quickly as folks know I'm not playing with crap hands. If I have a marginal hand I can get away with it sometimes because of my table image. (as long as I don't over do it)

Although some people will play with anything just hoping something hits them on the flop and sometimes it does.

All I can say, actually pray or wish for, is that a small pocket pair pushes all in after my AA raise, leaving me heads up. Oh, I'd like that to happen as often as possible. Please.

I don't care if I'm in a cash game, or on the bubble in a tournament where I won't cash if eliminated, I'm willing, eager, and able to push it all heads up with AA vs any other hand, IF I will be heads up against the one other hand.

Actually, I don't see very many scenarios where I'd fold to more than one hand, except perhaps in a tournament situation where the prize money for moving up may outweigh the possible risk - reward of winning that pot. But even those scenarios are few, and true "longshots".

There was a scenario, on the TV show "Big Game" I believe, where the loose cannon was up 100K +, on the button, and folded AA pre flop with 40 hands to go. I actually believe he made the right choice in that situation because of the other benefits, being the leader for a free entries to a tournament series if the big winner during the season, and a way to insure his "win". As it worked out, he would have been cracked!

But, there were many things for him to consider in that situation, and his choice, IMO, was a good one considering his goals. That is/was once potential scenario where I would also fold every hand to insure victory. But a true longshot scenario I'll probably never see, except on TV.

The Bicycle is notorious for having loose players and lots of action. The 100-300 games and the 300-500 games are usually filled with players who will play "A2C" (any two cards) which is why "smart players" can do really well there. But you can't beat "luck" sometimes.

In another hand a player with J-T suited pre flop goes all in with about $250, and he got two bigger stacks who called -- one had KK, and the other had QQ -- and J-T suited made a flush. this, believe it or not, is typical at this place.

if any of you want to face some fast, loose players -- the Bike is the place to be.

In a 100.00-300.00 game, or larger, with LESS THAN 1 BB on the table, and two or more players already in the pot, NOT going all in with J-10 suited would be a mistake. Both from the math and the strategic angles.

In the "Golden Age" of Hold'em, J-10 suited was considered one of the better premium hands, and until the math and computers were able to number crunch, etc, was a preferred hand of many, with only the large pocket pairs outranking it, and many would play it before AK offsuit, etc.

As for the A2C players, most top pros mix up their play with A2C all game long. It's how well you play after the flop that makes the money.

Especially in the nosebleed sections.

Although I know that A2C will be in the pot too often, I do not believe that it is "typical" for those underdog hands to win more than the odds and probabilities indicate IN THE LONG RUN.

Humans tend to remember the times we "don't", and forget the times we "do".

And believe it or not, some people do not believe in "skill", whether it's poker or VP. They only believe in results. To those people, Advantage Play at VP, or skill at poker are myths.

Imagine that. <sic>