when pocket aces lose, and lose, and lose.

Roadtrip, you should join me at the Bike. If youre as good a player as you indicate, you would clean up...

I personally do very well in the cash games where I can sit back and wait for good cards to play. Unlike tournaments where luck is too much of a factor and you have to get cards when blinds and antes are big. And this is pretty much why Ive stopped playing tourneys.

I dislike tournaments.

I agree with Mike Caro about them. In a tournament, you have to win all the chips to collect only a fraction of the money. Pretty difficult to constantly churn a profit. (and I've done well overall in SNG's when I'm motivated to play them. I've also made the final table in 600+ player tournies twice online prior to UIGEA)

One room I play gives SNG or satellite entries as promotion prizes for high hand, etc in addition to cash. I'll sometimes play the entry rather than sell it, and have done well with them. Last week I won a SNG for an entry to a WPT event but sold it with a 10% discount, and 2.5% of any cash out. (I wanted the guaranteed $900.00 cash in hand. lol ) I have no desire to work that hard for that many hours. The WPT is in town now, the $10K main event starts at noon today. BTW, I had little hope of his doing well in the tourney, but I like the guy, even if he is a DONK. :::shrug::: That tourney is over. 300+ players. He was out in about 6 hours, so he did better than I ever thought he could. But selling to him save me a return trip 3 days later to sell it at registration and gain an extra $50.00, if lucky, or being forced to play it. LOL

I'm a cash game player, and happy at what I do. And I rarely play larger than $10-$20 limit, although I have played as high as $50-$100 limit, and $10-$20 No Limit. I'm happiest at something like $4-$8 to $8-$16 limit, and do very well.

No need for me to play the Bike. Or Commerce. Been there, done that. Did not like a lot of what I saw and encountered. Collusion, teams, squeezing players, angle shooting, etc. I was just not a happy camper at several tables I "tried" at both joints.

The things I've seen, the tales I could tell. tsk tsk tsk.

Hey money, i usually play the Nooner Tourneys there! $40 dollar buy-ins every monday-tuesdays until the big tourneys like WPT or something comes to town!

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the buy in at 100-300, not the blinds. This game would probably have $1 and $2 blinds. And his use of the word "typical" refers to the action, I presume.

For those looking for reliable info about hold'em: JT suited fares poorly against the types of hands most reasonable players will turn over after calling a pre-flop all in bet, and you will go broke in the long run (and it may not be a very long run) pushing all your chips in pre-flop with this hand. The situation cited, JTs v. KK v. QQ is particularly bad for JTs, but is somewhat better than getting all in pre-flop against AA. In any case, this is not the type of hand that experienced players have very often, when they rush their chips in pre-flop.

If I misinterpreted the semantics, than my response about J10 suited is just totally horrendous.

My comments were toward the situation in a 100 sb - 300 bb game, with less than 1 bb left in the stack. I try not to presume.

The $100-$300 buy in games have blinds of $3 and $2.

The game I was discussing was the $300 to $500 buy in game, and the blinds are both $5. $5 big blind and $5 small blind.

edited to add: you can play at the table with Mike Caro and Jerry Buss (owner of the Lakers) for $25 and $50 blinds but they rotate their games among NL, limit, low ball and heaven knows whatever else they decide to play.

If you really want high limit games, go to Commerce or sit down with Larry Flynt at the Hustler.

meh.... never mind...

The "correct" answer for any poker problem is usually along the lines of, "It depends". I based my response on the information presented. If inaccurate information is given, than an inaccurate answer will result.

I have no interest, or desire in ever playing "high" again. I am perfectly content playing Limit Hold'em, with an occasional foray into other games, usually $4-8 to $10-$20. I am not saying I will never play high again, but I have no desire to, and no reason to.

Why in the world would I possibly want to play with "top" pros? My expectation of a win diminishes greatly, and I play for profit.

There is an old saying.....

If you sit to play poker, and do not recognize the "pigeon" at the table after 15-20 minutes, than it's probably you.

IMO...

If/when the popularity of poker crashes, and players become scarce, it will be the result of No Limit poker. People think they can play, take a loss, and before they know it they are really in the hole, financially injured or devastated. They can never come back with the skill set they have.

With Limit poker, if they lose "everything", they go back to work for a week or two, than come back to play again.

JMHO, but poker is doing itself a disservice by encouraging no limit cash games. Sooner or later, I predict the brick and mortar poker economy may collapse as a result.

You read it here first.

I think you are right to some extent, RT. It would probably shock many NLH players to learn the actual bankroll requirements for the games they are playing. I.e. most of them are under-bankrolled, and many are very thin.

However, I believe a much larger threat to the equilibrium is the jackpot system, not only the bad beat jackpots, but also the tournament system, where 90% of the players lose everything, and the top two get something like 60%. Both of these systems act like sunamis, removing huge amounts from the system and taking it out of play. Both of these systems are fueled by one part simple stupidity and one part simple greed, IMO.

I think compared to the effect of the giant prizes, the fact that most players are under-bankrolled is significant, but not crucial.

I don't like having AA or JJ. I normally lose with both!