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suecasey
suecasey
Mar 26, 2011
11:41am
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VP strategies are not based on how to play just one hand. They are based on long-term results of playing many hands. My friend John is saying the correct play is to hold the pair of 2's. If you don't understand what I'm saying, perhaps you shouldn't be playing VP.

The goal is to win money. Most of the time you will lose (that's how the casinos make their money, you know), but there will be winning sessions.

I don't know how to say it any clearer -- your friend's best bet for earning lots of tier points is to play as many hands as possible for as long as his bankroll lasts, on a game with low volatility such as JOB, using proper strategy consistently.
alanleroy
alanleroy
Mar 26, 2011
11:41am
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Originally posted by: MoneyLASorry if you find it to be a lame question. But I just don't understand what you wrote or meant. From what Grochowski writes it seems that he is sacrificing a better chance of "breaking even" for the chance to win more money.

If you had Ah As Ks Js 10s You could guarantee breaking even by keeping the aces..however we sacrifice the sure thing of 'breaking even' for the chance to win more money. Same concept as your J and a pair of 2's example....just more extreme.

MoneyLA
MoneyLA
Mar 26, 2011
1:11pm
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come on people. This is not a question about CORRECT STRATEGY. This is a specific question about getting tier points. I think there is a difference. I didnt ask my friend about his bankroll. But I think his interest is trying to milk it for the most tier points he possibly can. Perhaps he is playing only with free-play credits, I dont know.

No one -- especially me -- is going to dispute the correct strategy for playing JOB.

the only question here is how to maximize tier score. My friend pointed out that he is more likely to add to his tier points holding the jack. Grochowski's book confirms that for this particular hand.

Perhaps he had only one hand to play? Perhaps he had $25 of free play and wanted the best shot with it with one hand of VP at $25?

And in Alanleroy's example (good example by the way) if you have $25 of free play that you wanted to convert to cash do you drop the guranteed win with the pair of aces and go for the royal? Heck, all of us would go for the royal, wouldnt we? but if it was your last $25 would you hold the pair and maybe wish youll get two more aces? (Don't laugh, Ive seen it and heard players say out loud thats exactly what they are doing when playing Super Aces bonus. And by the way, even in SAB the correct strategy is to go for the royal.)
snidely333
snidely333
Mar 26, 2011
1:21pm
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Oboodoob I agree with. Get a proper bankroll and play proper strategy.

RoadTrip
RoadTrip
Mar 26, 2011
1:24pm
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
come on people. This is not a question about CORRECT STRATEGY. This is a specific question about getting tier points. I think there is a difference. I didnt ask my friend about his bankroll. But I think his interest is trying to milk it for the most tier points he possibly can. Perhaps he is playing only with free-play credits, I dont know.

No one -- especially me -- is going to dispute the correct strategy for playing JOB.

the only question here is how to maximize tier score. My friend pointed out that he is more likely to add to his tier points holding the jack. Grochowski's book confirms that for this particular hand.

Perhaps he had only one hand to play? Perhaps he had $25 of free play and wanted the best shot with it with one hand of VP at $25?

And in Alanleroy's example (good example by the way) if you have $25 of free play that you wanted to convert to cash do you drop the guranteed win with the pair of aces and go for the royal? Heck, all of us would go for the royal, wouldnt we? but if it was your last $25 would you hold the pair and maybe wish youll get two more aces? (Don't laugh, Ive seen it and heard players say out loud thats exactly what they are doing when playing Super Aces bonus. And by the way, even in SAB the correct strategy is to go for the royal.)


Edited.

Sorry, forgot I was not going to get involved in this "discussion". My bad.

What's the Over / Under line for this thread? I really want to place a wager.





snidely333
snidely333
Mar 26, 2011
1:25pm
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Singer could answer this. I bet he'd say the same as Sue and not invited to my not a party Alan.
MoneyLA
MoneyLA
Mar 26, 2011
1:34pm
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Keep it up roadtrip... thats three posts from you with no contribution to the subject.
billryan
billryan
Mar 26, 2011
2:39pm
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I think its a very interesting question, one that would seem to require a bit more thought than "play perfect basic strategy"I'll be watching to see if any VP pros chip in.
BobOrme
BobOrme
Mar 26, 2011
2:40pm
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Keep it up roadtrip... thats three posts from you with no contribution to the subject.

You've already received the best possible advice on the subject. Long term strategy on a low volatility game. The reason some folks question your motives in this forum is perfectly displayed by your veering into the possibility that your acquaintance might be playing one $25 free play. That's a great way to earn tier points! Sheesh!

snidely333
snidely333
Mar 26, 2011
2:58pm
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Originally posted by: billryan
I think its a very interesting question, one that would seem to require a bit more thought than "play perfect basic strategy"I'll be watching to see if any VP pros chip in.


No. It doesn't require more than perfect basic strategy. Unless the player is underfunded. Then he is doomed no matter.
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