When your objective is to play for "score" or "ranking"

BillRyan, thanks. Exactly what Im looking for. I'd like to see someone with some numbers. We all know about correct strategy. What I am asking -- and what my friend would like to know -- is if you would divert from basic strategy.

Perhaps we should all remind ourselves how tier points come about: not by net wins, but by coin through. So give me a million break even VP hands -- with ZERO net win, and I will have more tier points than someone who plays a session with 100 hands and wins ten thousand dollars by hitting a royal.

Tier score does not equal video poker wins.

Thanks.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
Keep it up roadtrip... thats three posts from you with no contribution to the subject.


Not quite correct.

In my second post, I asked for more information.

I said, in part:
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As for the original message, there should be more information provided. Otherwise, you will only get generic answers.

Bankroll size and stop loss for one. Just how much money is "your friend" willing to lose to improve his tier score? And why?

Pay tables for the machines and denominations.

Just how many tier points does your friend want, and what is the rate of tier points for coin in.

How much time is going to be available to play, devoted to playing the machine chosen?



Unless, and until that information is presented for analysis, the answers you receive will be generically correct.

But, you seem intent on not providing adequate information for a proper analysis.

And analysing and developing a proper strategy based on "your friends" needs, abilities, and other stuff is just not possible.

You have already received generically correct answers.

Than, you wrote:
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come on people. This is not a question about CORRECT STRATEGY. This is a specific question about getting tier points. I think there is a difference. I didnt ask my friend about his bankroll. But I think his interest is trying to milk it for the most tier points he possibly can. Perhaps he is playing only with free-play credits, I dont know.

No one -- especially me -- is going to dispute the correct strategy for playing JOB.

the only question here is how to maximize tier score. My friend pointed out that he is more likely to add to his tier points holding the jack. Grochowski's book confirms that for this particular hand.

Perhaps he had only one hand to play? Perhaps he had $25 of free play and wanted the best shot with it with one hand of VP at $25?

And in Alanleroy's example (good example by the way) if you have $25 of free play that you wanted to convert to cash do you drop the guranteed win with the pair of aces and go for the royal? Heck, all of us would go for the royal, wouldnt we? but if it was your last $25 would you hold the pair and maybe wish youll get two more aces? (Don't laugh, Ive seen it and heard players say out loud thats exactly what they are doing when playing Super Aces bonus. And by the way, even in SAB the correct strategy is to go for the royal.)


Which, to me, seems to contradict what you've previously written. I don't get it. How is correct strategy not directly correlated to earning tier points? Seems to me the longer "your friend" plays, the more coin in he will have, and the more tier points he will earn.

Why do you say:
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"This is not a question about CORRECT STRATEGY. This is a specific question about getting tier points. I think there is a difference"


I DON'T get it. Not at all. Please explain the difference.

I specifically asked about bankroll, etc for this very reason. Because "your friend" only has $25.00 FSP as a bankroll, than his best play MAY be different than if he has a bankroll loss limit of $1,000.

Provide better information, you'll get better replies.


The goal should be a higher tier score PLUS profit.

In a game like JoB, where all 4oaK are 125, there holding any pair 2 - 10 does not have as much value as holding them in Bonus poker for example.

Holding only the J will give much more "win" possibilities because now a Straight Flush and Royal Flush possibilities are in the mix.

Holding the non-paying pair, the highest possible payoff will be 125, then full house 45, Three of a kind 15, and two pair for 10.

Holding the J, 4,000 for the royal, 250 for the straight flush, and all the other possible four of a kinds, full houses, three of a kind, and two pairs...

Playing JoB, I would probably hold the Jack or lone picture card all the time if I were dealt a non paying pair.

Although, I generally do not play JoB, but I do play and have been playing more Bonus poker... I always hold the non-paying pair in Bonus since the 4oaK is worth a little more.
He wants to maximize his tier score. Thats the question.

More (small) wins = more play = more tier points

The J will give you more of that... and a potential for bigger payoffs which will then give more play and more points...
I think the correct answer would be an extrapolation (ooh, big word) of what Grochowski wrote. Perhaps the answer is always to go for the "sure thing" even if it means break even hands and not going for the royals when dealt a flush, or a straight, etc. But I would certainly appreciate someone to work the numbers (if possible).
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Originally posted by: slapinfunk
More (small) wins = more play = more tier points

The J will give you more of that... and a potential for bigger payoffs which will then give more play and more points...


No. Holding the pair gives you the greater +EV. and a potential for bigger payoffs which will then give more play and more points.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
He wants to maximize his tier score. Thats the question.


I do not get it.

Did you decide to just not read my last message, ignore what I asked, or are you afraid to answer, because I seem to recall asking you some very specific questions.







road trip, sorry, did not read your post.

frankly, I dont have the info you need.

it's almost 3am on the east coast... Im in LA.

but from the discussion I had with him, his strategy is to go for the "more likely win" than to go for what normal strategy (correct strategy) calls for.

A case in point: dealt four to the royal with a flush, do you hold the dealt flush? (of course this is an extreme case, and Im sure he would also go for the royal). But in this extreme case when you are concerned with getting a "win" for more play, do you?

lets take a less obvious example. Dealt AAAKK in DDB. Correct strategy is to drop the kings and go for the aces, plus hopefully a kicker. If you were going for the tier score, would you hold the full house. (Not a good example for my friend because we already ruled out DDB and are just playing JOB, but you get the point.)

If you can present the numbers that say you should still play correct strategy, then okay. but so far, it appears everyone is talking about the "correct strategy mantra" and disregarding the original question.

The original question certainly makes it appear to go for the "sure thing." ok, tell me why thats wrong when your interest is in only playing more hands, and not winning more?
Again, it comes down to properly funded bankroll. If you are worried about saving 9 bets, you are not properly funded.
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