Where to pee?

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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Before he/she/it goes off on me, I have a trust I manage, where the beneficiary is a cross dresser and is now claiming he is a transgender.


Oh wow, yeah! I was totally going to go off on you. But now that I know you manage a trust for a cross dresser, you are obviously exempt!

Really? Come on now. That's just as dumb as implying that you using non-identifying pronouns must mean I am transgendered.

Side note: I have stated several times I am not Chilcoot. Jatki wants to believe I am because he cannot handle two people not liking him. Plus, it gives him the advantage of saying "YOU ARE CHILCOOT" as a repetitive comeback because he is not smart enough to debate with me on any level.



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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Again, let me make certain that I correctly understand Clark's argument. A transgender person's comfort is of importance, and the comfort of non-transgender person is unimportant.



When a non-trans person's discomfort is based on them being a homophobic biggot, then I can honestly answer that I could not care less if they are uncomfortable.


Is it illegal for a man to use the women's bathro
Cliff Gilley
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This is a tricky question...in many states, it's not illegal to use a restroom assigned to another gender. However, there are complications to that general rule, even in states that technically allow it:

Assuming that the property in question is a private facility, you've got issues of access, control, and rules. A company may have a policy, stated or implied by the "Men's" and "Women's" signs, that only members of a specific gender can use the restroom. If this is so, it's not technically illegal, but they can ask you to leave the premises and/or ban you from the premises at their discretion;

Depending on the circumstances, you could be reported for indecent exposure, voyeurism, or some other related crime - if you're not smart enough to only use the women's when it's empty, for example;

It's problematic for trans-gender folk, and many states have actually passed laws explicitly granting them the right to use the restroom of the gender to which they identify (WA state is among these).



Obviously not a definative answer.
Transgendered people have enough problems in life. Making it a crime for them to use a bathroom is absurd.
The only fair solution is to require public restrooms to either be unisex or for there to be Straight Male, Straight Female, Gay Male, Gay Female, Bi-Sexual, Transgender Identifying as Male, Transgender Identifying as Female and Pervert restrooms. Then we can all have our safe zones.

Depends.
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
The only fair solution is to require public restrooms to either be unisex or for there to be Straight Male, Straight Female, Gay Male, Gay Female, Bi-Sexual, Transgender Identifying as Male, Transgender Identifying as Female and Pervert restrooms.

Eight little restrooms
All in a row
So YOU can decide
Where to go to go
Pick one through seven
And it's on with the show
Probably best to avoid
That last one, though


Solutions in search of problems, especially the bathroom controversy.

Adult females mostly know how to protect themselves from any advance.
Young children (male and female) should be accompanied by responsible adults in public bathrooms.
Tweens (male and female) learn what to do when approached by a stranger anywhere.
Common sense.

Transgender isn't the same as homosexual.
A transgender person begins to self-identify as being of the opposite sex of which he or she was identified at birth and nurtured socially (clothed, etc.). It is a difficult place to be in once that feeling begins to manifest itself.
It has a medical term, "gender dysmorphia."

That person may begin to show preference for opposite sex clothing, activities, sports, career choices, mannerisms, early on or later. Parents begin to fear their son or daughter may be gay. Classmates may see the person as freakish, not accepted in peer groups.

As one with gender dysmorphia matures, he or she may cross-dress, and may find work cross-dressing in order to find acceptance in a group (and income) if their mannerisms result in their being socially outcast, being labeled freak, pervert, gay, etc., have difficulty getting education and employment. Parents may reject them.

If one with gender dysmorphia is good at sports in school, e.g. soccer, football, tennis, swimming, you name it, they may excel and maintain some self-esteem as a result, all the while suffering inside with the feeling that they "aren't right". Societal pressures can be crushing; bullying is devastating; suicides occur.

Decades ago (and now), parents may become fearful when their little boy shows a preference for dolls, feminine clothing and activities. None of this is an absolute sign that the child has "gender dysmorphia", or is homosexual. Many transgenders and lesbians and gays have said they "knew" as early as grade school. Bruce Jenner (now Caitlyn) has said he "knew" in junior or high school, but being athletic enabled him to feel relatively comfortable in boy sports groups. I haven't read or seen how marrying and fathering children figured into all this.

But a person with true gender dysmorphia wants to BE the gender they believe themselves to be. This is different from being homosexual, which is a sexual attraction to the same sex.

Some (probably many) with gender dysmorphia have been born with organs of both sexes. Example, a baby boy with well developed male genitalia may also have ovaries or a uterus or both. But those aren't outwardly visible, so the boy may (or may not) begin to self-identify as a female as puberty approaches, or sooner.

Decades ago the boy (or girl) discovered to have girl (or boy) parts would be called a "hermaphrodite." This might be discovered should the child have a surgical procedure and the "wrong" organs noted at the time, which occurred when I was an OR nurse in the early '70s. At that time, the parents would be consulted to decide whether to remove certain organs or parts and supplement the child with hormones for the rest of his/her life. In the case of a baby boy with ovaries, it seemed logical that the ovaries would be removed.

As time passed, geneticists and endocrinologists learned that self-identification as a girl or a boy occured later, and to the surprise of many, that boy may self-identify as a girl, despite having had all the girl parts removed. Oops! So now they wait until puberty or later when one's identity is more certain.

If this person is fortunate, they have parental and medical support as they develop their feelings of being in the wrong body and can make informed decisions about what to do.

Medical management to transition is a decision between doctors and the person as to when and how to start the change (and whether one has financial resources to do so, which as far as I know isn't covered by most insurance plans). In the meantime, the person has suffered social rejection, isolation, etc., even by his family, until he/she learns what the problem is, and during the long journey toward becoming what they think they should be.

And, as proven by remarks on this board, they may always be subject to stares, jokes, etc., even as they become the person they believe they are meant to be.
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Originally posted by: clarkvegas
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Before he/she/it goes off on me, I have a trust I manage, where the beneficiary is a cross dresser and is now claiming he is a transgender.


Oh wow, yeah! I was totally going to go off on you. But now that I know you manage a trust for a cross dresser, you are obviously exempt!

Really? Come on now. That's just as dumb as implying that you using non-identifying pronouns must mean I am transgendered.

Side note: I have stated several times I am not Chilcoot. Jatki wants to believe I am because he cannot handle two people not liking him. Plus, it gives him the advantage of saying "YOU ARE CHILCOOT" as a repetitive comeback because he is not smart enough to debate with me on any level.


Count me in as number 3 who's not a member of the LVA Jatki fanclub. He's the typical flip-flopper who just tries too hard to be part of the "in-crowd". And as shown elsewhere Rouletteman feels the urge again to tag team with another member because he doesn't have the balls to go into a discussion on his own. Hey Roulette or Jatki, did I insult you guys enough to be called Chilcoot as well? Or am I still just that Marcis dude?
Here is an angry transgender.



Is this you, clarkvegas?
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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
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Originally posted by: clarkvegas
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Before he/she/it goes off on me, I have a trust I manage, where the beneficiary is a cross dresser and is now claiming he is a transgender.


Oh wow, yeah! I was totally going to go off on you. But now that I know you manage a trust for a cross dresser, you are obviously exempt!

Really? Come on now. That's just as dumb as implying that you using non-identifying pronouns must mean I am transgendered.

Side note: I have stated several times I am not Chilcoot. Jatki wants to believe I am because he cannot handle two people not liking him. Plus, it gives him the advantage of saying "YOU ARE CHILCOOT" as a repetitive comeback because he is not smart enough to debate with me on any level.


Count me in as number 3 who's not a member of the LVA Jatki fanclub. He's the typical flip-flopper who just tries too hard to be part of the "in-crowd". And as shown elsewhere Rouletteman feels the urge again to tag team with another member because he doesn't have the balls to go into a discussion on his own. Hey Roulette or Jatki, did I insult you guys enough to be called Chilcoot as well? Or am I still just that Marcis dude?


I can see you didn't take my advice and have that proctologist look at that stick. That thing has to really hurt and make you cranky.
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