Why are people not outraged about this?

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Originally posted by: malibber2
‘My take on it in the OJ case the prosecutors did a bad job so there was no conviction. It was somewhat understandable given the amount of money OJ spent on his defense. A jury often finds the simplest most non technical evidence the most persuasive. In the OJ case OJ trying on the glove and it not fitting was powerful. It was the prosecution’s mistake for letting him try on the glove.


I remember seeing some piece somewhere on the tube about OJ's lawyer's hooking OJ up with a doc who prescribed some meds to make a him retain fluids( they do exist) and told him the morning of to try and get as much fluid into his hand as possible. By doing this his hand would've been swollen and voila, if it don't fit you must acquit. Also the glove had so much blood on it, it was bound to shrink somewhat because that's what wet leather does.

Seemed far-fetched to me at the time, but now as someone who can retain a lot fluid between dialysis I could buy into it. Fluid always goes to me ankles, when I take my socks off, it's all puffy above the sock tops. I can literally push all the fluid down in about five minutes.

I have no idea how that glove didn't fit, but it got him sprung for that one.

J


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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
The Fifth Amendment privilege against compulsory self-incrimination applies when an individual is called to testify in a legal proceeding.
Well, kinda. In fact, it always applies from the instant a person becomes a defendant, but you're basically on track, good!

Not "kinda". What I wrote is absolutely true.
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Zimmerman was not called to testify. He couldn't refuse to answer a question when no question was asked.
Okay, you're getting better. Still wrong, but getting better.

Again, what I wrote is absolutely true.
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Originally posted by: ChilcootThe prosecution is not permitted to call the defendant as a witness. NOT PERMITTED! THEY CAN'T CALL HIM! Since you just refuse to believe truths I say, I'll let NOLO clue you in:

The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides that a defendant cannot "be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself." In short, the defendant cannot be forced to speak. If the defendant chooses to remain silent, the prosecutor cannot call the defendant as a witness, nor can a judge or defense attorney force the defendant to testify.

The prosecution CAN call the defendant to testify IF the defendant does not choose to remain silent.
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Originally posted by: ChilcootHere's how it works. Before trial, the prosecutor must submit a list of witnesses. They never put the defendant on the list because of the Fifth Amendment. However, if a prosecutor DID put the defendant on the list, the defendant's attorney would immediately object on Fifth Amendment grounds and the court would strike the defendant from the prosecutor's list.

Do you have the prosecutor's witness list? Can you prove that Zimmerman was not on that list?
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Originally posted by: ChilcootNow, the defendant might list himself on his own witness list. But at trial, depending how it's going, the defendant may choose not to testify, like Zimmerman did here. Because if he DID testify, then the prosecutor would be able to cross-examine him. Just like OJ, Zimmerman didn't want to be cross-examined, and so he didn't testify. And so, at his trial, there was never any testimony from Zimmerman.
Now, Zimmerman chose not to testify. A decision not made by the defense. A decision not made by the prosecution. Zimmerman himself made that decision according to you.

OJ did testify in his trial. I guess he wanted to.

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Originally posted by: ChilcootAt some point, I hope you will concede that you were completely wrong, that

* American prosecutors can't force a defendant to testify;

* Zimmerman never gave any testimony

* Zimmerman never gave a statement under oath; and

* there's no Double Jeopardy problem should the USAG decide to prosecute him for civil rights crimes.

All of those things are true. I hope you're moving closer to accepting these truths.


A defendant can refuse to testify against him or her self.

Zimmerman's video recreation of the incident was testimony presented as evidence, and it too was covered under 5th amendment protection. He didn't have to do that if he thought it would be self-incriminating.

Zimmerman was not asked to provide a statement under oath.

It absolutely would be double jeopardy if a civil rights violation suit includes charges of murder or manslaughter.

What can I say. I'm dealing with someone who thinks OJ Simpson testified at his own murder trial.

All I can do now is repeat myself, and I'm not going to keep doing that. Scroll up.
"If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."

DonDiego prefers to learn from Life's Little Lessons.

If/When DonDiego commits his first heinous crime, he intends to wear ill-fitting clothing.


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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
What can I say. I'm dealing with someone who thinks OJ Simpson testified at his own murder trial...
He read it in the New York Post.

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