Wine drinkers questions

Before Sideways made fun of Merlot, Merlot in CA had already embarked on stupidity. I fear the same thing is happening with a lot of people pushing the limits of Pinot Noir now, again, in certain CA AVAs, and with Malbec and Syrah. Now when I started into wine in the early '80s I adored CA Merlots because they were allowed to be a fractional blending grape that could stand as a varietal/dominant blend; Sonoma was not Pomerol or Saint-Emilion but some producers could just let the grape be. When it got popular, as always happens, marginal producers and envelope-pushers blew up the volume and the formula. Commendable Merlots seem far more prevalent now, or maybe they're just not lost in a flood of insipid or over-the-top variants.

It’s like “Chablis.” Most Americans equate it with cheap, sweet jug wine. Wrong. It’s a French appellation that just happens to excel at Chardonnay as Chardonnay (and not Chardonnay as a bastard cross between a dairy and an oak woodland). As noted earlier, I prefer Burgundian Chardonnay. I prefer Sauv Blanc to Chard, generally, be it Bordeaux or here or the antipodes; man, we had a great time chasing Sauv Blanc on our first New Zealand trip.

Riesling? Flowery yet it need not be candy. Vibrant tones are not necessarily sugary.

Have we survived the Carnerosification of Pinot Noir, btw? I adore Pinot when we let it be Pinot, and it has that Champagne/sparkling wine ability to be a wine of many foods, if not to the near totality of extent as sparklers are. Big fan of Oregon, NZ--Wairarapa and Hawke's Bay--and the Santa Rita Hills appellation in Santa Barbara County.

And being a native Californian, how about a big shout out to what is essentially our and America’s grape: Zin. Again, let’s let it be Zin. (Came back from the Sierra foothills two weeks back with a number of magnums of Zin from Hatcher in Murphy's. Outstanding. We'll pop one as we watch Oregon hammer Stanford on Saturday!)

Blush? Need not be “White Zin” crap. The color from a good rosé typically comes from contact with the skins of a red grape, and the color can run from a light pink blush to orange, though in Champagne blending is common; a Blanc de Noirs is not a sparkler made with the addition of the wine equivalent of Kool-Aid. Again, the point is, don’t let American crass marketing toss something noble under the bus.

Bubbles? As with all wine, to us, you need to be able to consistently afford it for it to be talked about; Hollywood and the high rollers can wet themselves over Screaming Eagle (that's not a bubbler, btw). Domaine Chandon does fine as an everyday and inexpensive sparkler, Schramsberg is our house fave. We also play at Champagne. Clicquot is bueno. (Also see my last graf below.)

Anyway, I digress. My point is, there are a lot of learner wines on every grocery store shelf, the big-name, wide-penetration producers. While saying Grape X from Brand Y has its merits, I tend to suggest a regional approach.

If anyone is interested in Champagne, please contact me via e-mail or PM. I have a nephew who is importing small-house wines and he is a great resource.
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Originally posted by: ken2v
Before Sideways made fun of Merlot, Merlot in CA had already embarked on stupidity. I fear the same thing is happening with a lot of people pushing the limits of Pinot Noir now, again, in certain CA AVAs, and with Malbec and Syrah. Now when I started into wine in the early '80s I adored CA Merlots because they were allowed to be a fractional blending grape that could stand as a varietal/dominant blend; Sonoma was not Pomerol or Saint-Emilion but some producers could just let the grape be. When it got popular, as always happens, marginal producers and envelope-pushers blew up the volume and the formula. Commendable Merlots seem far more prevalent now, or maybe they're just not lost in a flood of insipid or over-the-top variants.

It’s like “Chablis.” Most Americans equate it with cheap, sweet jug wine. Wrong. It’s a French appellation that just happens to excel at Chardonnay as Chardonnay (and not Chardonnay as a bastard cross between a dairy and an oak woodland). As noted earlier, I prefer Burgundian Chardonnay. I prefer Sauv Blanc to Chard, generally, be it Bordeaux or here or the antipodes; man, we had a great time chasing Sauv Blanc on our first New Zealand trip.

Riesling? Flowery yet it need not be candy. Vibrant tones are not necessarily sugary.

Have we survived the Carnerosification of Pinot Noir, btw? I adore Pinot when we let it be Pinot, and it has that Champagne/sparkling wine ability to be a wine of many foods, if not to the near totality of extent as sparklers are. Big fan of Oregon, NZ--Wairarapa and Hawke's Bay--and the Santa Rita Hills appellation in Santa Barbara County.

And being a native Californian, how about a big shout out to what is essentially our and America’s grape: Zin. Again, let’s let it be Zin. (Came back from the Sierra foothills two weeks back with a number of magnums of Zin from Hatcher in Murphy's. Outstanding. We'll pop one as we watch Oregon hammer Stanford on Saturday!)

Blush? Need not be “White Zin” crap. The color from a good rosé typically comes from contact with the skins of a red grape, and the color can run from a light pink blush to orange, though in Champagne blending is common; a Blanc de Noirs is not a sparkler made with the addition of the wine equivalent of Kool-Aid. Again, the point is, don’t let American crass marketing toss something noble under the bus.

Bubbles? As with all wine, to us, you need to be able to consistently afford it for it to be talked about; Hollywood and the high rollers can wet themselves over Screaming Eagle (that's not a bubbler, btw). Domaine Chandon does fine as an everyday and inexpensive sparkler, Schramsberg is our house fave. We also play at Champagne. Clicquot is bueno. (Also see my last graf below.)

Anyway, I digress. My point is, there are a lot of learner wines on every grocery store shelf, the big-name, wide-penetration producers. While saying Grape X from Brand Y has its merits, I tend to suggest a regional approach.

If anyone is interested in Champagne, please contact me via e-mail or PM. I have a nephew who is importing small-house wines and he is a great resource.



No wines on the grocery store shelves here. not legal

what was the line in Sideways about Merlot. Merlot is the something something of wine. thought it funny at the time. cannot recall now.

at dinner a couple of months ago, ran across a Zinfandel that I just loved. I think it's from Cali. called 7 Deadly Zins. have bought and consumed a couple of bottles since.

are you no longer touting Domaine Ste Michelle for bubbly? wasn't that your rec for inexpensive sparkling wine some time back

My god, what kind of Medieval hell-hole do you live in? Don't tell me you guys lack drive-thru liquor stores, too.

Sure, when it's seven bucks at BevMo DSM is a winner. When Domaine Chandon is 10 it's a bigger winner. Mumm's CA bottlings are good, too. Etc. Wasn't thinking of going encyclopedic with my post.
no drive thru liquor stores either. I don't think they have wine in the grocery store in Mississippi either.

I remember when I went away to college and saw wine in the grocery stores, it was soooo strange and foreign to me. Of course I was not of drinking age until the end of my junior year anyway


Booze, too. Then there's Costco!

I remember when we moved to Oregon and my parents had to think ahead if they needed to ferret out one of the scarce state-run liquor stores that seemed to be open 23 minutes a day.
No Sunday sales in the county I live in. To have a drink with dinner on Sunday night means a minimum of a twenty five minute drive each way.
Lucked out years ago at a winery in the napa valley. The head vintner gave us the tour and the tasting.
I'll always remember what he said, he said it didn't matter what the price of the wine is, $5/bottle or $150/bottle, if it
tastes good to you, it's good wine!

My favorite is a chardonnay. My favorite brand is called "barefoot."
Last time I was at ellis island, barefoot chardonnay was their white house wine.
I thank DonDiego for the hearty welcome and hasten to assure him that my absence from the FFA was self-imposed, having been caused not by health or fortune but rather by a streak of good taste. Now, to say "other goons" implies that either he or I- or perhaps both- is a goon. Just "goons" would more readily permit the inference that neither DD nor I is a goon, if that was the intended meaning. I do not think DonDiego is a goon and hope he does not think I am one, either.

You and I have disagreed, mostly on political matters, but since I have been staying away from most political posts, or posts which turn political, I trust that future disagreements will be infrequent. Even if we do disagree in the future, I know we will continue to set a good example for the goons- or other goons- by doing so cordially.

I have been hanging out at the "Las Vegas Advice" website. It lacks some of the characters one finds here, which is to say that it somewhat lacks character. However, it is better in other ways. Posters are nice to each other. They remain focused on the topic most of the time. The site runs better. The host (Knagl) is diligent. Some of LVA's more informative posters, such as Gregrio and Westie, also post there. Unfortunately, so does Fritz, but when he stays away from politics, Fritz is also a useful poster.
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Originally posted by: KarenTN
I don't think they have wine in the grocery store in Mississippi either.


Speaking of Mississippi, and bringing it back to casinos, back when the Beau Rivage in Biloxi had a brewpub in the casino, not only was the beer limited to 4%, but it also was not allowed in the casino. By "not allowed" I mean not only was it not served in the casino, but you could not even go into the brewpub and buy a beer at full price and walk out into the casino with it. No wonder they let the brewpub wash out to sea.
Another option for those who want to explore: The $0.05 wine sales at BevMo; those who don't live in 10th-century Transylvania. (Does Total Wine do this?) It's effectively a half-off deal when you add the first bottle. It's not unlimited; they aren't gonna give you a Silver Oak Alexander Valley for a nick. But it's a fun way to try and learn at lessened exposure.

I'd say if it tastes good to you it is a proper wine.
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