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"The quick answer is the new law took away subsidies from Insurance Companies and gave them to uninsured people"

What subsidies?

The ones Medicare gave to insutrance companies and hospitals. The same ones Paul Ryan cuts in his budget - (you know, the one you support)...except he doesn't use the savings to give uninsured people access to healthcare...he uses them to give Mitt Romney a tax cut.

pj- I believe you missed the point of my question- the money that is used to fund the subsidies, just where and how were these funds generated?

If medicare is making a payment for treating patients how is that a subsidy?

No, I answered your question. The previous system required Medicare to pay artifically high prices to hostpitals and insurance companies. That corporate welfare has been removed and pays for about half of the total cost of the new law...including the subsidies for the poor.

------- pj -" No, I answered your question. The previous system required Medicare to pay artifically high prices to hostpitals and insurance companies. That corporate welfare has been removed and pays for about half of the total cost of the new law...including the subsidies for the poor." -------- Do you actually think that if Obamacare is fully vested that the funds removed from corporate welfare will cover ALL of the funds needed for ALL of the subsidies? If so, you are not only obtuse, but you are totally delusional. And if, and that is a BIG IF, the corporate welfare funds cover just half of the total cost of the new law, just where will the OTHER HALF of the funds come from?

No, Doc, I'm not so obtuse that I cant use a basic search engine on the internet. You should really give it a try. That way when you have a question about government policy you can research your own answer instead of solciting people on a Las Vegas Message Board.

Here, let me show you how it works....
How Obamacare is paid for

And, here, I'll give you a fun little assignment so you can practice. See if you can find a link on the internet that shows how uninsured emergency room care is paid for in the system you advocate we go back to....you know, the one where there is no nanny state.

Take the sheet off your face boy, it's a brand new day.

The Doc has totally lost his marbles.........................................................AGAIN. He did reach the number one position on LVA for attacking Obama during the last couple of weeks. You'd think he would come with something new once in a while. Unfortunately that is not the case and the Doc is mainly responsible for infesting this forum with emotional Obamacare rants. Take some Xanax doc and get some sleep

I have to interject on this statement. I know for a fact (as far as dialysis patients go anyway) that medicare pays THE LEAST AMOUNT possible to Fresinius for medicaid patients. I have been going there for 3+ yrs now and I've gotten to know everyone there, even some of the higher ups.

Their payments go as folows; people with private insurance, they make a profit on(there aren't a whole lot of people in this category). Medicare patients they usually make a few bucks on as long as they don't need anything extra(extra treatments, epigen or whatever). Medicaid patients they're lucky to break even but usually lose a few bucks on them.My clinic has about 60-75% people on medicaid, almost all are in this category are here illegally.

That the govt is expanding medcaid kinda pisses me off because that means a boatload of people of people that shouldn't even be here will swell the medicaid roles further. I have sympathy for them of course but it pisses me off to think folks that LIVE HERE may be overlooked and not to mention this country has a huge debt problem. I know what dialysis treatments cost and I know what transplants cost, they're mpre than twenty bucks. I read the medicaid roles are expected to gain nine million new people, I wonder who all that will include?

This stuffs not an opinion either, it's fact.

Respectfully,J

EDIT TO ADD: I just reread and noticed the comment on artficially high prices to hospitals, again I don't think this is true, for instance I'm pretty sure a kidney transplant is 125K no matter who pays. Also, if medicaid/medicare patinets were so profitable, why aren't the hospitals filled to capacity with them? I've had to switch and now have medicare as my primary insurance(SUCKS, total PITA!!) and they don't hardly pay shit, thankfully I still have my other insurance as secondary and they pick up what medicare doesn't pay. This is also fact.