Yet Another Reason to Oppose Wal-Mart

Don bringing the topic back to the original subject I have always found the morality of poverty to be a fascinating subject. I have found morals to be largely a product of one’s political and economic status. For instance is it wrong for a billionaire casino mogul to swindle people collectively out of a lot of money by pulling a bait and switch? The consensus seems to be while the (mostly middle class) people swindled are mad none of them finds it bothersome enough to take 20 minutes to fill out a complaint form on the various Federal and State consumer protection agency’s websites because they don’t want to make a federal case out of it, as the courts time is needed to pursue important matters like all the kids that steal a roll of processed ground beef from the local Wal-Mart. I wonder how much ground beef one would have to steal to equal the amount of money the middle class consumers got swindled out of on the bait and switch?

Interestingly enough if you look at upper class victims of a swindle such as Bernie Madoff’s no punishment is too extreme for the swindler. Life in prison is not punishment enough your execution and the prosecution of your kids and grandkids are not too extreme in a case such as this.

If you’re a large corporation and you want to engage in immoral, criminal but profitable behavior all you have to do is ply the legislative body with enough bribes to decriminalize your activity. For example we use to have usury laws in this country. Repeal was effectively purchased by the banking industry. 30-40 years ago if an enterprise would have charged someone 30% interest it would have been labeled a criminal enterprise engaging in racketeering, the business would have been shut down and the management would have spent 20-30 years in Federal prison. Malibber finds this behavior no less offensive to his sense of morality simply because the perpetrators were able to bribe the refs. Again the victims are largely middle class so nobody complains they don’t even utter a peep.

In the end morality is an extremely flexible concept, and I opine until we enforce morality on an equal basis across all economic classes one can’t be surprised when we find people on the lower end of the economic scale lacking in morality as most on the upper end of the scale don’t have any. I guess you could say the lack of morality, and willingness to engage in criminal behavior has trickled down.
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Originally posted by: johnnyone
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
I have yet to see either have that damn Ensure on sale for anything less than $8.00 a 6 pack.

Chefantwon, if you are a veteran, Ensure is available on a prescription basis by the VA. They send me a couple of cases when needed with a co-payment fee only. My other medical insurance pays the co-payment. I have tried it with coffee, unsweetened cocoa, chocolate and strawberry syrup. The syrup makes it too sweet.

Back to the topic, Walmart is a huge benefit in our area.


Thanks for the info. It's best with nesquick and a touch of milk, nice and hot.

Walmart, like 'em or not employs quite a bit of people and does a freaking hammer job on prices on some electronics.
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."
__Claude Frédéric Bastiat (30 June 1801 – 24 December 1850) More Quotes

As malibber, DonDiego fears that the USA is well on the way to justifying just about any plunder, . . . witness the bank bailouts in which hundreds-of-$billions were transferred to the wealthiest among us.

On the other hand, . . . DonDiego doubts that "a roll of processed ground beef" is high on the list of items stolen from Wal-Mart by "kids". Starvation does not threaten many even impoverished folks in the entitlement society.

It is inappropriate for a government to transfer wealth to the elite or to the commoners or to anyone.

DonDiego doesn't find morality to be as flexible as malibber; The Golden Rule and The Ten Commandments (less those requiring obeisance to God, or including them if one so chooses) are a good start. The problem lies with a legal system no longer applying it. And also with citizens who cease to embrace it.
"I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and to bid defiance to the laws of their country."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to George Logan.

“There is...an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents.... The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provisions should be made to prevent its ascendancy.”
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams


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As malibber, DonDiego fears that the USA is well on the way to justifying just about any plunder, . . . witness the bank bailouts in which hundreds-of-$billions were transferred to the wealthiest among us.



On this we are in agreement, however I suspect our prescriptions for the problem are very different. If only we had listened to Jefferson's warnings . Prehaps it is not too late?


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Originally posted by: malibber
"I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and to bid defiance to the laws of their country."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to George Logan.

“There is...an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents.... The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provisions should be made to prevent its ascendancy.”
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams


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As malibber, DonDiego fears that the USA is well on the way to justifying just about any plunder, . . . witness the bank bailouts in which hundreds-of-$billions were transferred to the wealthiest among us.



On this we are in agreement, however I suspect our prescriptions for the problem are very different. If only we had listened to Jefferson's warnings . Prehaps it is not too late?


Jefferson was a very wise man.

"In the end morality is an extremely flexible concept, and I opine until we enforce morality on an equal basis across all economic classes one can’t be surprised when we find people on the lower end of the economic scale lacking in morality as most on the upper end of the scale don’t have any. I guess you could say the lack of morality, and willingness to engage in criminal behavior has trickled down. "

Does that mean that the middle class is the only moral class? If so, what path did the trickle take?

I concur with DonDiego that theft of rolls of hamburger would seem to be low on the list. Then again, hamburger rolls may not have antitheft devices attached to them as much other merchandise does. And there is always the chance, even in our entitlement society, that someone in America might actually need food and have no ready source on a particular day aside from stealing it.
TOP 50 SHOPLIFTED ITEMS IN AMERICA

Advil tablet 50 ct
Advil tablet 100 ct
Aleve caplet 100 ct
EPT Pregnancy Test single
Gillette Sensor 10 ct
Kodak 200 24 exp
Similac w/iron powder - case
Similac w/iron powder - single can
Preparation H 12 ct
Primatene tablet 24 ct
Sudafed caplet 24 ct
Tylenol caplet 100 ct
Advil caplet 100 ct
Aleve caplet 50 ct
Correctol tablet 60 ct
Excedrin tablet 100 ct
Gillette Sensor/Excel 10 ct
Gillette Sensor 15 ct
Monistat 3
Preparation H Ointment 1 oz
Similac w/iron concentrate 13 oz
Tavist-D decongestant tablet 16 ct
Trojan ENZ 12 ct
Tylenol gelcap 50 ct
Tylenol gelcap 100 ct
Tylenol tablet 100 ct
Vagistat 1
Advil caplet 50 ct
Advil gelcap 50 ct
Advil gelcap 24 ct
Advil tablet 50 ct
Aleve tablet 50 ct
Anacin tablet 100 ct
Centrum tablet 60 ct
DayQuil liquicaps 20 ct
Dimetap tablet 12 ct
Duracell AA 4 pk
Ecotrin tablet 100 ct
Ecotrin tablet 60 ct
Energizer AA 4 pk
Excedrin tablet 50 ct
Femstat 3 app
Gillette Atra 10 ct
Gyne-Lotrimin 3 app
Monistat 7
Motrin caplet 50 ct
Motrin tablet 24 ct
Oil of Olay 4 oz
Preparation H Ointment 2 oz
Schick Tracer FX 10 ct
Gillette Sensor/Women 10 ct
Sudafed tablet 24 ct
Visine drops 1 oz

And I would have thought with so much headache medication and Trojans being stolen, the Pregnancy Test kits wouldn't have been quite as popular.
Alanleroy, you've got a bit of a repeat in there.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the following are for female infections of the single celled variety.

Femstat 3 app
Gyne-Lotrimin 3 app
Monistat 7


So the most stolen things are pain pills, condoms, yeast infection treatments, razors, and home pregnancy test kits?? Boy, I can sure see why folks want to steal from them.....
I find the middle class to be as moral (or lacking in morals) as the upper and lower class. Indeed and unfortunately a lot middle class morals are those of the upper class as many middle class people simply think emulating upper class notions of morality will bring them riches unfortunately they don’t realize they are simply the cash cows being milked and exploited by the corporations and upper class.

Perhaps, I should have used a bottle of Advil as an example instead of a roll of ground beef? In any event the point was the same. Namely the lower class lacks the means to bribe lawmakers to decriminalize their criminal activity realizing this they choose to advocate removal of the temptation rather than see their children tempted. I’d say that is a morally superior position than bribing legislative bodies so you can legally charge 30% interest wouldent you?

You do realize that running a shoplifter through the system for say a bottle of Advil probably costs the taxpayer a minimum of 2k. So when we think of “big” government we often don’t think of all the benefits “big” government provides to business at no cost. Imagine if Wal-Mart had to foot the bill for all these prosecutions or had to pay the cost of deploying elaborate security to prevent them.



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Originally posted by: bardolator2
"In the end morality is an extremely flexible concept, and I opine until we enforce morality on an equal basis across all economic classes one can’t be surprised when we find people on the lower end of the economic scale lacking in morality as most on the upper end of the scale don’t have any. I guess you could say the lack of morality, and willingness to engage in criminal behavior has trickled down. "

Does that mean that the middle class is the only moral class? If so, what path did the trickle take?

I concur with DonDiego that theft of rolls of hamburger would seem to be low on the list. Then again, hamburger rolls may not have antitheft devices attached to them as much other merchandise does. And there is always the chance, even in our entitlement society, that someone in America might actually need food and have no ready source on a particular day aside from stealing it.


I find it strange that film is the #6 most shoplifted item. Does Wal-Mart still carry film?
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