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Poll : 24 June - 07 July 2020

Q:

In case you missed the 6/16 QoD, it attempted to provide a perspective on the age-old question of whether or not Las Vegas was "better" during the good-old bad-old days of the 1950s and '60s when the mobsters held sway at most of the Strip casinos. It's not necessary to read the QoD to participate in this new poll, but it helps, if only for understanding that, as we saw in the answer, the "good old days" turned out not to be so glamorous and benign after all. 

As you can readily see, we changed the choices to a simple yes/no. This was based primarily on Ray's incisive analysis that most everyone would vote for "I'd take the good parts of the old era and the good parts of the new era," so why run a poll with only one real choice? Candy, as well, rightly wanted an age identifier, which prompted Sheila to prove Ray's point by saying that she was there in the '50s and '60s, loved it then, and loves it now. 

So after much discussion, we determined that a binary choice eliminated all the variables, impelling respondents to consider the following question: Given all the comparative positives and negatives of both eras, which one do you prefer? Yes is a vote for the mob era. No is a vote for the corporate era. 

Thanks as always for voting, commenting, and the discussion on the poll preview, on which we place a very high value. 

 

A:
561 Total Votes
Yes
67% (377)
No
33% (184)

Analysis

This wasn't the most popular poll we've ever run, but it generated some good comments and a result that proved to be a little more extreme than we imagined. 

We predicted that the past would beat out the present (and by extension, most possible futures), but we were surprised by the margin: Two out of three respondents would rather Las Vegas hadn't changed over the past 50-odd years. Wow. 

We thought we laid out a pretty cogent and persuasive argument that the "good old days" weren't all that good, but it turns out that even so, a definite majority consider them better overall than what's transpired since. 

As for us, we realized, too late, that we should have included a third choice: Both eras are equal in their pros and cons. For sure, that's the one we would have voted for. 

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  • [email protected] Jun-24-2020
    jimbob
    I think you fell flat on this one.  As they say "the devil is in the details".  Reducing this question to a simple yes/no completely guts it of any meaning.  It definitely is a yes-but/no-but question and the reasoning behind the choices are varied and meaningful.  In my opinion, the mob wanted everybody to be happy, spend money.  The corporations are more direct about squeezing every penny out of properties and guests.  As you have pointed out several times, statistics indicate that most people know that in the long run, they are going to lose and come to town mainly for fun. In the previous era you could have a thoroughly enjoyable time while getting fleeced.  Today, when you get sheared, you get skinned as well.

  • tgabrielli Jun-24-2020
    I vote "YES"
    I'm probably in a vast minority here, but I liked the fact that in the days of the mob, you had to dress up to enter a casino: men had to wear jackets and ties and women wore dresses. There was a degree of class to the casinos back then. That's what I miss most. Today, the dress code consists of anything goes.

  • Alan Canellis Jun-24-2020
    Smooth criminal vs mugging
    I voted "Yes".  I know Las Vegas wasn't built on winners.  I want to have fun knowing I will most likely lose.  I have adjusted my bankroll to account for inflation and earnings.  So, all things being equal, during the "mob" years, I was recognized for my play on the spot (comped meals, show tickets, rooms, etc) and after with room offers.  I remember suits coming up to you to ask if you were having a good time and if there was anything they could do for you. The casino was a classy place that evoked a wanting to dress up.  Now, I often feel I should just walk to the cage, hand over my money and leave because I don't feel invited to stay.  Everything is sterile, corporate, and void of any humanizing comforts.  There is no soul to Las Vegas anymore, over the last 40 years I have watched it slowly disappear.  Yes, my parents brought us kids to this incredible oasis in the desert. I'll take the smooth criminal.

  • dchealer Jun-24-2020
    Alan has it right!
    I love Alan's analysis, clear and accurate in my opinion. I voted Yes for all of the points of Alan's reasoning before I even read his comments! FYI, I'm 74 and have been visiting Vegas since my mom first brought me for my 21st B'day, she was one of the original professional poker players! :)

  • Jackie Jun-24-2020
    All comments regarding this poll
    made on the sixteenth and today lead to one inescapable fact, age.  Those who experienced the 50's and 60's and also saw the decline leading up to 2020 will always chose the Mob days.  Those who didn't experience Las Vegas until the 70's and beyond will always choose the status quo based on erroneous feelings of dangerous mobsters burying people in the desert as a consequence for any winner.  However, these are mute points as the pandemic is already changing Las Vegas into a new and unrecognizable creature, one in which attendance is sparse at best and insufficient to produce profits.  I would predict that corporate casinos who do not adapt quickly will suffer bankruptcy.

  • O2bnVegas Jun-24-2020
    In between was OK
    Alan's comments made me wish I'd been there.  I was there almost right after the mob left and corporations were 'in the process' of taking over.  
     - Not the massive crowds of today (or before the virus). 
     - $5 and $10 blackjack still on the Strip($2 at Casino Royale) 
     - a $300 gambling budget was enough for a 48-72 hour stay vs 30 min.
     - Coming to Las Vegas was special.  Not everybody did it.
    
    Now: the crowds, the kids.  The Tiers.
    
    It is like going through TSA to redeem a comp or coupon. "ID and players card please.  Take this to the cashier. NEXT IN LINE!!"  LOL.

  • wconner50 Jun-24-2020
    Old Vegas for sure
    I first went to Vegas in 1973, passing through on my way to a new duty base in the Air Force. I was only 18, but I was able to see Kenny Rogers and the First Edition at the Flamingo for a 2 drink minimum. It seemed everything was geared to ensure you had a good time. I went back 15 years later and could not believe the difference. The shows were costly, we had three kids and stayed at the Excalibur, where I was sure they would entertain the kid for free while Dad gambled, BUT NO! It cost me so much for the kid's games at the arcade downstairs, I had nothing left to gamble. My wife became regular visitors to Vegas since the early nineties, and most of the post here agree, it was so much classier before the corporate greed and massive people. When Caesars sold off all their steak house, we were at Bally's steakhouse on their last night. All the waiters, some there for over 20 years, were lamenting about the demise of Vegas. Looking around, people were in shorts! Sorry for the long post

  • Kevin Lewis Jun-26-2020
    Nostalgia
    People look at the past with rose-colored glasses---that time when you were stronger, faster, smarter, didn't need Viagra, had hair...and ignore the bad aspects.
    
    Vegas was a thugocracy back then, with no rule of law. The only rule was: don't dip your toe in that river of money. As for its worth as a city: it was basically ramshackle housing for the casino employees, with a few rich folks' enclaves consisting of mansions and golf courses surrounded by alligator-filled moats. As late as 1990, for example, there were still only NINE bus routes, most sidewalks weren't paved, and Vegas had fewer city parks per capita than any other major American city.
    
    As far as the tourist experience goes: it was much more about gambling, period, than all the other diversions that have been added. Back then, you got tired of playing (losing), all you could do was go hang out by the pool.
    
    And of course, "back then," approximately 112% of people smoked. Including in the restaurants. Gaah.

  • John Foreyt Jul-01-2020
    hiroller
    Much better back then. 

  • Edward Apr-12-2021
    CEO Blue Fox Enterprises 
    I prefer the good old days, of the MOB!  Made the whole experience that more special, knowing your time, was spent amongst the movers, and shakers of the world!