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Poll : 22 July - 04 August 2020

Q:

This is a simple yet sensitive survey on the somewhat scary possibility of retrogression to a broad shutdown of the economy in favor of a second attempt at controlling the outbreak of the coronavirus.

Nevada's surge in positive cases since the reopening of the casinos isn't, to be sure, as severe as in Florida, Arizona, and Texas, but it's definitely up there in the top ten, if not five. (For statistics as of early July, go to the Question of the Day in which we laid them out in all their stark ugliness -- and they haven't improved since.)

The poll choice is binary: Yes/No. We're sure a lot of you will have a lot to say on the subject in the comment boxes. But we thought we'd take the temperature, so to speak, of Vegasphiles by posing the following hypothetical: Given the recent upswing of COVID cases and the attendant risk factors of gamblers, both locals and out-of-towners, spreading the illness, should Nevada close the casinos again and reopen them when the numbers -- positive cases, hospitalizations, deaths -- show a definite downward trend?

A:
1361 Total Votes
No
54% (739)
Yes
46% (622)

Analysis

The results of this poll are closer than we expected and even closer than they look. 

It's widely believed by experts and the public alike that the scourge of COVID-19 will be with us ("us" meaning the world, but especially the U.S., whose outbreak is among the most severe) at least until an effective vaccine is devised, and the most optimistic prognoses don't foresee that happening until early next year. Even then, producing it in sufficient quantities to help control this plague will be as prolonged an undertaking as it will be massive. 

Which is why we were predicting a much more lopsided margin toward the No side of the survey question. Simply stated, we figured a larger majority of respondents would favor alleviating the devastation on the economy over the ravages of the illness.

We underestimated the deep and abiding fear of the coronavirus. 

In fact, the vote was neck and neck most of the way, with the lead actually changing hands twice. We can access the results in real time and it wasn't until the last few days that the No voters held more sway.

It's true that our demographic skews older, so it's natural that the curve of this poll is toward the upper end of the age spectrum. The Las Vegas Advisor has been around for a long long time in Vegas years (we'll be celebrating our 40th anniversary in 2022) and most of our readers are as "pre-owned" (gently used, of course) as we are. With COVID taking its greatest toll on our general age group (55 and older), we anticipated a considerable Yes response. But given how close the results are, we have to assume that people of all ages voted Yes, believing that the only way for the economy to recover (e.g., keeping the casinos open) is to win the health and safety battle. 

All that said, in the end, the nays have it. The vote indicates that, with the constraint of the coronavirus uncertain at best, more people believe that the world has to keep turning, even in the face of a lot of suffering and death. With apologies to the old Broadway musical, no matter how much of a minority wants to stop the world and get off, we all just have to hang on for dear life and go along for the ride. It's always been that way and it always will be.

 

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  • Jackie Jul-22-2020
    Update
    It takes 3 to 7 days before symptoms appear of being sick.
    That is when the virus can be detected with swab and temp testing but you have already spread the virus to many others in those 3 to 7 days. So now you survive the virus instead of dying but you are not immune and are now a carrier spreading it around and can even get sick yourself again.  Wake up people Coid-19 is a nightmare far worse than you can imagine. Another shutdown solves nothing.  Masks for everyone in public is the way to go as laws already exist that can incarcerate anyone who is a danger to themselves or others.  A masked USA and continued social distancing is the way to go until a cure is found.

  • JimBeam Jul-22-2020
    Shut Them Down
    The problem as I see it is that you have these highly restrictive states - and these states are restrictive for good reasons - and those citizens are tired of being indoors. So, what do you do? Vegas road trip!!! While The Strip is not back to any normal levels, there are still enough people visiting from Florida, California, Arizona, Texas, etc, etc that are bringing the virus here. Check any social media and/or dating app that track people's location and home state and you'll see what I mean. As long as the casinos remain open, the tourists (although smaller in number) will come and they will continue to bring the virus with them. 

  • Alan Canellis Jul-22-2020
    Open or Close
    Closing solves nothing and only brings more issues down on people.  If you close the casinos down and the cases fall, as soon as you reopen the cases with rise again.  Don't start the roller-coaster stay open, wear masks and distance oneself.

  • Lucky Jul-22-2020
    Closure
    Closing the casinos, along with everything else in the country that attracts a crowd indoors, will only reset back to slower and lower case counts. Soon as you open again, bang, cases go up.  I think, and it may seem nasty, but he virus has to run its course.  If you are an at risk person, stay home, I am, and I love Vegas (I live in CA, 3.5 hours by car away).  A vaccine will come out by December, and by next April, there will be enough for everyone in the USA.  I hope.  Those that are healthy, and younger, go.  But wear your masks and distance.  If not for yourself, then for everyone else.  Closing again will be a temporary fix only.

  • Ray Jul-22-2020
    Open!!
    There are a lot of ways to restrict visitation other than re-closing. The state, the county, the city, can require masks, restrict access, and have other protocols that make going to a casino safer. Closing completely (again) will only do what Alan says, start a roller coaster. We need to make all forms of activity safer, not non-existent.

  • Albert Pearson Jul-22-2020
    Be tougher
    Shutting down again could kill some casinos. Bring in much stronger enforcement of mask and distancing rules, outlaw smoking indoors, give people 5 minutes to have a drink and then the masks are on again.

  • Kevin Lewis Jul-22-2020
    Of COURSE...
    The casinos never should have reopened. The inevitable result--sickness and death--is what happens when money is valued more than human life.
    
    Yes, mask wearing and social distancing lowers the danger. But the customers haven't bothered to adhere to those guidelines, and the casinos haven't bothered to enforce them. So shut 'em down. NOW.

  • Kurt Wiesenbach Jul-22-2020
    Virus shutdown, NO.
    The big reason the virus keeps spreading is that people don't follow the guidelines. There needs to be more enforcement. I think a lot of people are coming around to the fact that they need to do the proper steps now that there's more awareness of people getting really sick in their local circles, so hopefully more people will follow the necessary rules. I went to an Indian casino in Washington, and they had me put on gloves before I could touch the chips at the blackjack table. This would likely go a long way to minimizing spread if they made it mandatory in Vegas, but the biggest issue I've seen is lack of enforcement when someone flaunts the rules. Time to say play by the rules or no dice! People are going to travel regardless, as we need to get out, we just need to force people to deal with the issue instead of ignoring it.

  • Leonard Accardi Jul-22-2020
    Get Real
    Everyone is going to be exposed to this virus sooner or later, unless they isolate themselves in a room and have everything they need immaculately delivered, a virtual impossibility.  Masks and distancing only delay the inevitable, they don't prevent it.  The week and suceptable should do their best isolate themselves.  Testing, concentrating on number of cases and shutting down anything to delay the inevitable was, and is, ridiculous.  Workers and businesses have been made to suffer beyond belief.  Stimulus and other governmental supportive packages are increasing our national debt and crippling city and state economies beyond belief. Stop the madness and let nature take its course. Those who believe in God should realize that the virus is God's will.  A safe and effective virus could be years away and may never be discovered.  After everyone has been exposed, the death toll will be a tiny percentage of the population.  Get real and accept the inevitable.

  • Eileen Jul-22-2020
    Keep them open
    How much longer does everyone have to suffer at the hands of the selfish, entitled people in this world.  Get tough. Make those not wearing a mask pay a stiff penalty - over and over until they get it or stay inside.  The casinos should throw anyone out NOT keeping a mask on their face.  Rather to lose the revenue of one person rather than having to close down again.  Everyone wants to blame every business, every politician, everyone but themselves. It's up to each individual to do the right thing and everyone is definitely not stepping up.  This will be going on for a long time unless someone goes out and finds the "backbones" that have been lost since this all began.

  • BigJohnBearman Jul-22-2020
    Common Sense
    Wear the mask follow the guidelines if not go home

  • Jerry Patey Jul-22-2020
    Corona
    Look the tests they are doing are antibody tests. They are lined up around blocks getting tests at random. Every pos case is counted as active case. Most in lines are asymptomatic or they would not be there. Antibody tells you that sometime in past you have been exposed could be one mont one week or one year. My niece had flu syndrome dec 1. Her corona test was pos. They say 1_21 was first case. That is BS. Did you know flu can be contacted thru eye and ear. So can corona. Numbers are thus up. Deaths and hospitalizations down. Lots of false pos on the tests. Many counties reset 100% pos on screens. I checked Memphis stats. In 5-15 there were total of 135 cases for city. There are 25k beds. Someone is lying. This is destroying economy and country all to be sure Trump is not elected. Why does CDC refuse to check vaping serum for corona. ? You should know answer. Masks? Useless they keep people from Vegas. I had major chem biology. Do your own research. MSM telling you lies. It is all BS 

  • Patricia Jul-22-2020
    No please don’t close
    Reopening ASAP
    Why I am putting off visit
    Is Limitations
    Especially Entertainment
    For me I can’t just sit and
    Gamble for hours Like a little
    Break I truest believe as soon as
    The virus slows hopefully in
    A few week Restrictions lifted
    And more reopening Even on 
    A small scale 

  • O2bnVegas Jul-22-2020
    too late
    Funny, I was one of the few who spoke against Fourth of July celebrations, i.e. gatherings to watch the lovely fireworks, in Vegas.  One poster accused me of being unpatriotic.  This on the heels of Memorial Day fun in the sun welcoming the virus to "come on in and have your way with us."  Now there is no good answer to the question.  A lot of work and financial agony went into shutting down.  I believe we are now stuck with staying open.  But leadership who know about epidemiology must get their act together, tell it straight to the public, insist on following the recommendations under threat of incarceration of anyone who defies them, be it customer or proprietor.  

  • Robert Byrne Jul-22-2020
    Yes, But or No, But?
    This really needs a 'Don't Know' category - I could have voted either way. 
    I voted Yes, but only because you can't trust people to follow the guidelines without strict enforcement.
    I could have voted No, but only if the guidelines are strictly enforced, which seems impossible due to the politics.
    Why should wearing a mask be a political issue? Speaking as a retired English doctor, I can't see how wearing something to protect others from you spreading Covid-19 in the infectious pre-symptomatic stage infringes your rights. Not wearing a mask surely infringes the rights of others?
    I agree that it's likely that we will all be exposed to this potentially fatal infection in the next year or so. Although many people are asymptomatic or mild, thousands have died.
    Let's hope for an effective vaccine as soon as possible, so that we can get back to something resembling normality and we can visit Vegas again from the UK, which is not currently possible. I'm missing my yearly 'fix'.

  • Jon Anderson Jul-22-2020
    open/close
    close 'em down. everybody needs to do the right thing but that's not going to happen. take away all gathering places for as long as it takes to get this thing under control. time to take one for the team. 

  • jeepbeer Jul-22-2020
    my answer?
    I'm driving there tomorrow.

  • O2bnVegas Jul-22-2020
    Please write TRs
    Everybody who does visit Vegas casinos, PLEASE write a Trip Report.  We are all wondering how things are going.  Including flight experience, were they distancing, cleaning inside the plane and inside your airports?  Details, please.  Thanks.

  • rokgpsman Jul-22-2020
    Point of no return
    The US had its chance back in Feb to get better control of this crisis with serious enforcement of health safety guidelines everywhere and a cooperative effort by all. Most other countries figured out what to do and they are in a better situation now than we are. It's so bad here that Americans are not wanted as visitors to many countries incl Canada. At this point we've proven we can't be counted on to act responsibly. So the infections will continue to spread, some older folks will die and younger ones will live but have lingering medical issues. The toll on our society will be huge. This was a test to our nation, and we've failed. The world now sees us in a different way, we're no longer that place that solves tough problems for the greater good, a place to be admired. It's been a tough year for everyone and we're only halfway thru it. Hope that each person that gets covid-19 and recovers becomes immune, that would help immensely to reduce the problem. And a vaccine would be nice. 

  • Sandra Ritter Jul-23-2020
    Sorry
    But I can't vote on this. I agree with Robert Byrne (I also like rokgpsman's answer) in that there should be an I Don't Know vote. I see reasons to say yes and I see reasons to say no. In the end because I live in the Midwest I don't feel I have a right to vote in this survey on whether casinos in LV should stay open or close. My real vote will be whether I make my yearly visit to LV and as of right now the answer is no. 

  • NeonGlo Jul-23-2020
    So Unfair
    Owners selfishly want their profits; no personal risk of infection. Visitors selfishly want vacation services, dismissing any risk, their own or others'. But Vegas workers must work, take risks, for a paycheck if they lose unemployment payments. Risks include blood clots (brain damage, paralysis, limb amputation), long-term respiratory problems, huge medical bills, and more. I'm staying home for myself and my family but maybe we should stay home for the workers.

  • PackerBackerAZ Jul-23-2020
    Already shut down
    We've stopped going to Las Vegas Casinos so, in essence, they're shut down to us. Social distancing isn't possible in places that allow smoking and wandering hordes.

  • Kirbyk Jul-24-2020
    Not the casinos’ fault
    From what I’ve read they are trying really hard to provide safe environments within their walls.  The problem is our American attitude of personal freedom.  Some people seem to think we can throng together without face coverings and social distancing and not suffer any consequences.  Those who play by the rules and are willing to accept the risk should have the opportunity to travel.

  • William Nye Jul-24-2020
    Open
    No. stay open, this thing must run its course like any other flu.  Sorry we are sheep to the .....

  • rodfan Jul-24-2020
    Close or not? 
    Of course this is not the casinos fault! But everyone has to behave accordingly or we will never get out of this hell.  Wear your masks, damnit!

  • clifftill22 Jul-24-2020
    Blackjack
    The casinos don't enforce face masks or social distancing so...CLOSE EM' DOWN

  • Seamans Jul-24-2020
    casino closures
    I think no. It is risk versus reward. I was just there 16-19 july. I thought there were plenty of precautions, you can only do so much. People have to work.

  • tgabrielli Jul-25-2020
    A yes vote...
    I am a frequent visitor to the casinos. And as much as I enjoy playing, I do believe that the casinos should close once again. Here's why: the country's current hot spots for the virus are California and Arizona. Numbers are rising at alarming rates. And the casinos host many visitors from these states. We don't need these "tourists" right now, possibly endangering our population further. As much as I would hate to see this happen, I think we have to close the casinos until the numbers level off in nearby states. As a side note: I still go to the casinos and several times I have noticed people wearing masks around their necks, but not on their faces. (I know; stupid people!) When I notice this, I report them to security and they usher these folks out of the casinos (and rightly so). While the casinos are doing a great ob in trying to keep people safe, it's not 100%. So, yes, I vote to close the casinos one more time temporarily.

  • davg35 Jul-25-2020
    not strict enough
    i voted no , reason being full preventative measures werent enforced enough, especially wearing masks and social distancing, i think personally if that had been enforced then an upsurge in cases wouldnt have happened.

  • gaattc2001 Jul-25-2020
    Here's a trip report from the second week of July....
    We drove and met two others who flew. They said the plane was full and masks were required the entire flight. 
    Stayed at a non-gaming property, and it was full. The pool was open by reservation and with limited occupancy; but the breakfast buffet was "grab a paper bag and go." 
    We went to three places "off-strip," and one on. Social distancing, temperature checks on entry, cleaning procedures, and mask usage were pretty well enforced and obeyed. Parking fees at the strip property were suspended. Most but not all restaurants were open. Gaming operations were somewhat subdued. Every other machine was turned off, or sometimes the middle two in a bank of four. Table games were open with reduced occpuancy, and some with pelxiglass barriers. There were even poker tournaments, with 5 players max per table.
    I was actually more worried about breaking down on rural desert roads in 110+ heat going and returning, than about COVID. Back ten days now and no problems so far.

  • NVJamaal Jul-25-2020
    Fight for What's Right
    We must stand together - https://www.fightfornevada.com/   

  • sherrypritchett Jul-27-2020
    Sherry
    Do NOT CLOSE! Wear face covering, wash hands. Social distance. Closing again serves NO logical purpose. People need jobs. Las Vegas needs people to come and help the economy.Do not destroy Las Vegas by closing it down again. 

  • steve crouse Jul-29-2020
    No
    Stop acting like sheep.
    Open and fire up this economy.
    Stop with all the Orange Man Bad shenanigans.

  • vegasdawn Jul-30-2020
    NO WAY!!
    Not only should they not close, more places should be starting up their buffets again.  It would help if the governor had not prohibited doctors from prescribing a potentially life saving medication.  Agree or not, it should not be his call, and there is plenty of evidence that it helps or at least doesn't hurt when prescribed by a doctor.

  • KRock S Aug-07-2020
    Sheep?
    I just saw the poll & read comments. Most comments were  thoughtful from both perspectives, although 1 commenter called Covid the flu, I suspect to minimize concerns about it. 100 years ago the Spanish flu killed 500 million worldwide, so he may want to rethink how he is minimizing Covid. What I don't get is why 2 of the commenters called others "sheep". Who do they think are the sheep? The maskholes who refuse to wear masks or those who don't want to catch what 160,000 in the US (so far) have died from?

  • Ray Aug-07-2020
    Now, after the poll votes
    As interesting as the results are, the comments are really an insight. To those who claim the casinos want to be open because of the bottom line, the casino EMPLOYEES need to work just to keep food on the table. The entire economy, not just corporate profits. The key is to keep open and make the protocols as stringent as necessary, including limiting capacity , mandatory masks, and no drinking or smoking on the casino floor. And, quite frankly, that's for the governor to decide. (And hope that he is following the scientific suggestions that will help)