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Question of the Day - 10 December 2022

Q:

I'm new to blackjack (just turned 21, so I can go to Las Vegas now with my friends) and I'm wondering if there's a seat at the table I should try to sit in or avoid. I've been learning basic strategy and I think I'll do okay, but if I sit in a particular seat, can I mess things up for the rest of the table? 

A:

Many blackjack players believe that the most important position at the table is the one that's last to act. At a full table, that's the seat farthest left as you face the dealer, or the "third-base" position.

Why? Because what that "anchorman" does with his hand will determine which card the dealer gets if he has to draw. As the conventional wisdom goes, a "bad" player who hits his hand when he shouldn't might take the dealer's bust card. Example: The dealer shows 5 and a player on third base hits his 12, then busts with a 10. The dealer then turns a 10 in the hole and draws a 6 for 21.

So what happened here? The bad player took the 10 that was supposed to go to the dealer and screwed up the hand for everyone, right?

Wrong. Of course, that's the way it seems. But the reality is, the cards about to be dealt could just as easily have been reversed, meaning that the incorrect play would have saved the entire table. This happens all the time, but our selective memories don't catalog it.

It's not just third base. Mathematical studies indicate that the skill levels of all the players combined on a table make no difference to your expectation. That is, it doesn't matter whether you're playing at a table full of world-class card counters or a bunch of actual orangutans; your personal expected result remains unchanged. Your result is determined by the rules of the game you're playing and your skill level.

Things change, however, when an expert is involved. Card counters, for example, often choose the last seat because it lets them see the maximum number of cards before they have to make decisions. And a hole-carder (a player trying to see the dealer's concealed card) may want a specific seat because it offers the best view. But when you're talking about casual players, there is no single best seat to improve results.

All that said, you should try to avoid one seat if you can. Believe it or not, it's the very one we've been discussing, third base. The reason is that 99% of blackjack players don't know or understand what we've just explained. And that means they're almost sure to blame you when they don't agree with your play and something goes wrong.

Who needs the added pressure, especially when you're young and a little inexperienced? Take a seat in the middle.

 

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  • VegasVic Dec-10-2022
    Low IQ
    A majority of blackjack players have no clue how to properly play the game.  Learning basic strategy is so easy and yet most don't bother.  They'd rather give their money away on "hunches".  And I love those who read a Blackjack book on the plane and thing they are now "counters".  Playing an 8 deck shoe. Casinos have enough built in advantages and so many rubes make it even easier to be fleeced.  

  • JerryD Dec-10-2022
    Great write-up
    The bad players help you as often as they hurt you. It just stings more when a bad play hurts you. I prefer to sit on either end--more legroom. 

  • Jackie Dec-10-2022
    @Vic
    Great line!
    Casinos have enough built in advantages and so many RUBES make it even easier to be fleeced.  
    

  • Kevin Lewis Dec-10-2022
    No base
    This is no longer a dilemma! 99% of the games in Vegas are 6:5 shit and therefore, you shouldn't sit down to play at all!

  • Bob Nelson Dec-10-2022
    Well…
    The orangutans may spill a few drinks on the table and blow smoke in your face.  Hmm, or maybe I’m thinking about the people who have been over served…

  • [email protected] Dec-10-2022
    Stu-pit
    About 20 years ago when I began playing blackjack, I made a really dumb move (don’t recall now what it was). The dealer looked at me and said “ are you Brad Pitts brother Stu ?” 🤣
    Wonder how many times he’d used that line. 🤣🤣

  • [email protected] Dec-10-2022
    Playing 3rd base
    Absolutely true about 3rd base getting abused. In Vegas, my buddy and I typically try to sit at 1st and 3rd. We both know and play basic strategy but my buddy for whatever reason sticks on 16. After several occasions of unkind comments when sticking on 16 worked against the table, he now announces upon sitting down that he sticks on 16 and if anyone objects, he and I will switch seats. No more problems.
    Best run I ever had was playing alone sitting in a middle seat. Went through an entire 8 deck shoe without a loss. Only had 2 naturals and in hindsight I wish I had pressed up more than I did but it was still a very profitable session.

  • Sandra Ritter Dec-10-2022
    BJ and me
    Decades ago, when I first started playing Blackjack, I remember sitting at a $1 table, with $1 players. I didn't split aces and the flack I got! From $1 players. I left right away. And of course I studied the game and never did that again.
    
    I remember first seeing Video Poker on a trip in 1982. I was staying at the Riviera and they had 2 machines, in different places. JoB. I got hooked. Then the games started changing. Bonus poker, then Double Bonus poker, etc. On 5 quarters you could win $500 or $1,000 or more on a progressive. I'd only play BJ end of evening when I wanted to relax before going to bed. UNTIL 6:5 came along. 5 quarters and get a grand vs $5 to get $6?  Nope, not doing that.
    

  • Jerome Sinkovec Dec-10-2022
    A really bad player
    I was at an Indian casino once, playing Blackjack. The dealer dealt us all one card face up, then dealt herself a card face up. She folllowed this with another card to each of us face up, and dealt herself a second card -- by flipping her first card face down and then giving herself the second card face up. We looked at each other and could not believe the dealer had just shown us both her cards in error! She realized what she had done, but just kept on with the game. The thing was that we knew she had a 15 total, and acted like we knew that. Except the guy on third case, who had a twelve, and hit it anyway. He got a ten, busted, and left the table. The dealer dealt herself a face card, and busted. and we all were shocked buy the dealer's error and the stiupid play by the fellow in the 3rd base spot.The pit manager was occupied elsewhere and didn't see what happened, and I don't know if it was spotted by the cameras, at the time or later. If so, that dealer must have gotten into real t

  • rokgpsman Dec-10-2022
    Bring your own luck
    I was playing blackjack in a Kansas City casino, having fun and a little ahead when I stopped for lunch. The buffet drink server lady was friendly, I tipped her when I finished and told her I was headed to the blackjack tables. She took an Ace of Clubs card from the centerpiece of the table and handed it to me, said maybe this will bring you good luck. All the buffet tables had some random playing card on the centerpiece, the cards had 1 corner snipped off. I resumed playing bj and was having a bad streak when the pit boss lady came over to the table to visit. I told her I didn’t think my good luck charm was working and pulled that Ace of Clubs out of my shirt pocket. The pit boss lady looked stunned, shocked and frozen, then she took the card from me. All the other players got very quiet and dealer looked like he'd swallowed a goldfish. Finally the pit lady saw the card's cutoff corner and she was kinda friendly again, asked if I had any more surprises. And she kept my souvenir card.

  • mhernandez116 Dec-10-2022
    Bad players
    I've mellowed out over the years, so I'll tolerate a bad player.  But I can't stand a bad player who thinks they're an expert. And makes sure everyone at the table knows it.
    Some years back I was at a table with a drunk girl who insisted on a running commentary on her play, as well as telling her partner what he should do.  "I always stand on 16. You should always take even money. Oh, you need to double down on that." Whenever anybody did something she didn't agree with, she'd criticize to her partner, loud enough that half the casino could hear. "Why would you do that?!"
    When I declined insurance, she started to open her mouth and I finally snapped, "Because I actually know what the fuck I'm doing."
    They left soon after. Dealer asked me to watch my language but the other tablemates thanked me.

  • Roy Furukawa Dec-10-2022
    3rd Base
    I prefer 3rd base only because I'm left-handed and it gives me elbow room, but I get how sitting there can get you grief from other players if you make any mistake. Cards are random, just make sure you play somewhere that offers you 3-2 BJ at your level of play. Don't go to the Strip expecting anything but shuffle machines and 6-5 BJ at anything less than $50 min. table. 

  • rokgpsman Dec-10-2022
    3rd base chutzpah 
    I mentioned this QoD to a buddy of mine that likes sitting in the 3rd base seat at blackjack. He said whenever some know-it-all player criticizes what he does at 3rd base he starts splitting 10's every time he gets them, and smiles at the jackhole making the unwanted comments. It doesn't take long for the offender to give up and leave the table in disgust. 

  • Gregory Dec-10-2022
    Hate the game
    Back in the early 80's, my Dad tried to get me into blackjack. He used to play at places like Caesars and MGM Grand (currently Bally's/HS). The dealers where so intimidating.  They expected you to know how to play and know by the rules. The had no patience for beginners.  I found the whole experience uncomfortable as hell. Once the tribal casinos opened and all the college kids started playing the game, blackjack became a totally different game.  Those solemn tables turned into party games where off the wall hunch bets turned the blackjack tables into party pits.  I still say no, on both counts.

  • pivoss Dec-11-2022
    About 6:5 Blackjack...
    I too went through my stage of fuming outrage regarding 6:5 BJ, but after thinking about it, I realized they only reason we are outraged is because 3:2 was the precursor. But if this game was originally rolled out at 6:5, there'd be no issue with it still being 6:5. Basically the price went up (out of greed) and we got mad, because the price went up, out of greed. 
    
    But we are WAY beyond the "If we don't play it, they'll switch back" strategy. That's never going to happen. It's here to stay, so either you continue to hew to a principled stance and wave your tiny fist at the casino and plunk down $50 a hand for the 3:2 blackjack of your youth, or you reconfigure your memory bank to forget 3:2 was ever the norm (as easily could have been the case), and sit down to play some $10 6:5 blackjack. 

  • Raymond Dec-11-2022
    Don't play blackjack much 
    Since the advent of 6:5 blackjack and the use of CSMs, I don't play much blackjack anymore.  When I do, it's mostly as a break or when the video poker payoffs are poor.
    
    But when I do play it, I neither accept nor offer advice except when someone asks me directly.  If there's a poor player at the table, I figure I should let them learn (or not) on their own, again unless they ask.  If there's a genuinely awful player committing one of the two unpardonable sins--being loud and aggressive, or splitting tens--I say to myself, "There's lots of other tables and/or lots of other casinos, plus I can always just leave and not play at all," and depart the table as soon as I lose a hand.
    
    I someone offers me unsolicited advice, I tell them that their advice is worth what I've paid for it.  Unless I violated basic strategy, in which case I'll thank them--"I screwed up, you're right to point it out." 

  • Llew Dec-13-2022
    2 BJ stories
    Many years ago, I was playing BJ in Atlantic City. The lady sitting at 3rd base was obviously clueless. But her incorrect moves were killing the dealer.  We actually told her, “We have no idea what you’re doing, but please keep doing it!”  She did and we all walked away winners.  🤣
    
    Although BJ was originally my only casinos game, I gradually switched to poker, which I played exclusively for many years. One night, after a long, successful poker session, I became too tired to continue playing well, so I left the table.  But I still wanted to play *something*.  
    I sat at a BJ table and played for several minutes.  I remembered basic strategy but, although I played perfectly and won a few bucks, the only thing I remember feeling was how BORED I was!  Compared to poker, BJ is soooo simple. At least to a non-counter.