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Question of the Day - 07 January 2023

Q:

Expert blackjack card counters can be banned for life from casinos. That doesn’t seem fair. Has anyone challenged the legality of such a ban? If so, how far up in the judicial court system has a challenge ever gone?

A:

[Editor's Note: This question had Arnold Snyder's name all over it.]

The issue banning of card counters by casinos has gone as far as state supreme courts in the U.S.

In New Jersey, the Supreme Court justices ruled in favor of the players. The Atlantic City casinos cannot ban players at all for card counting, not even for an afternoon, let alone “for life.”

In Nevada, the Supreme Court has, not surprisingly, ruled in favor of the casinos. They can ban players for any length of time, including for life.

In Louisiana, the law is similar to New Jersey's, prohibiting casinos from banning players solely based on their skill level.

Other states have ruled on this issue both ways.

Of course, casinos in states where counters cannot be barred employ other countermeasures to protect their games from counters —restricting the player’s bet size, shuffling the deck(s) sooner, etc. 

If such a case ever made it to the U.S. Supreme Court, it’s hard to say which way it would go. On one hand, Intelligent people are not a legally “protected class.” Laws prohibit businesses from banning on the basis of race, religion, age, color, nationality, disability, gender, etc. But not based on an intellectual ability to to do mental arithmetic quickly and flawlessly. 

There are a few practical exceptions to the protected-class laws. Adult-entertainment businesses can post age restrictions (and are required to do so). Amusement parks can post age/height requirements for rides where safety is a factor. Etc.

On the other hand, in most states, all businesses that are open to the public are within their rights to follow the “Innkeeper’s Law,” which allows them to “refuse service to anyone.” Derived from English Common Law over the centuries, this enables businesses to eject customers for failing to observe the dress code, being disorderly, drunk, bothering other guests, disrespecting house rules, opening a window to feed the pigeons, throwing televisions into the pool, knocking out the hotel’s power by dropping a plugged hair dryer into the sink full of water (all true events that led to banning), etc.—provided they’re not kicking out guests for being in one of the protected classes. 

I think it’s unlikely that the U.S. Supreme Court would hear this case. Since casino gambling isn’t even legal in many states and there is no “right to gamble” in the Constitution, it would likely be tossed out as a states’-rights issue.

 

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  • Llew Jan-07-2023
    Shuffling 
    Many years ago, I was playing $10 BJ at a casino in Atlantic City.  It was a fun table, full of nice people having a good time.  
    
    Then the young woman on my left placed a $100 bet. The dealer called out the bet, which caught the immediate attention of the floor.
    The next time the woman made the same bet, the floor told the dealer to shuffle the eight deck shoe.  After only one hand was dealt, he was told to shuffle again. Rinse and repeat. 
    
    After the third shuffle, one player lost it. He threatened to go to the Casino Control Commission. The floor said, “Go ahead, they’re right over there.”  [In those days, the CCC had a booth in every casino.]
    
    The man stormed off. A few minutes later, he returned with a look of defeat on his face. “They’re allowed to do it.” he said. 
    
    The game broke shortly afterwards. 

  • Kevin Lewis Jan-07-2023
    In Nevada, the casinos ARE the government
    Not only can they stop counters from playing, they can throw them out, timing the ejection so that the hapless player is immediately run over by a garbage truck, and the casino will sell his internal organs on EBay.

  • [email protected] Jan-07-2023
    The "Keith Moon" Rule
    “Innkeeper’s Law,” which allows them to “refuse service to anyone.” This enables businesses to eject customers for... throwing televisions into the pool. In 1967 THE WHO performed in Flint, MI and stayed at the Holiday Inn. Keith Moon was celebrating his birthday like everyone else does...by throwing a TV into the pool and then driving a car into the pool to avoid talking to police. The next day the band was BANNED FOR LIFE from every Holiday Inn...

  • [email protected] Jan-07-2023
    I look at it from another way
    Since the casino can burn a hidden card every hand or can shuffle at any time among other things, i have always thought that barring players is bad business.  What if a casino started telling everyone what the count was every hand and if it was a certain point, then there was a $ 100 maximum bet hand.  I never figured out why Jackie or Major or one of the other old timers didn’t say every night or once a week every one who got a blackjack when there were 2 or more blackjack on the table simultaneously got a chance at a new car or vacation or. . . .