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Question of the Day - 17 July 2022

Q:

For the first time since I've played blackjack, I colored up more than $500 and the dealer gave me a "purple." When I went to the cage, the cashier asked me where I was playing and called the pit. Why?

A:

[Editor's Note: This answer is provided by our guy behind the curtain, Andrew Uyal, a floor supervisor at the Cromwell (who just returned from an epic trip to Peru).]

In almost every casino, there's a threshold where if someone cashes out x amount of chips, the cage is supposed to call the pit and verify the play. If the pit boss says, "No, that wasn't from here" and the cashier can't verify it, they might refuse to cash it out. 

Almost all the time, this verification procedure starts with some amount of purple chips. At some smaller and locals places, one purple $500 chip could certainly warrant a verification call.

This can be pretty annoying if you play there often.

Myself, for example, I used to cash out only black $100 chips and smaller when I played a lot at the Orleans, which was (or is, I'm not sure now) one of those places that called for every single purple chip. I always thought that was crazy, especially based on the high level of play there.

Sometimes the threshold might be higher, but you might be playing during a time where the cage is trying to track all the chips of a certain denomination that were taken by a certain player whom they're either trying to identify or otherwise trying to record or obstruct. Casinos do this sometimes if an advantage player removes a large amount of chips from a table without cashing them out.

Casinos also track chips in the event of a chip theft, especially if they're stolen from the rack. When they're stolen from another player, they might not go to this extent, but when they're stolen from the casino, you can bet they'll be trying to verify every chip.

This might also happen if there's been word of any counterfeit chips around. If one casino tells the others someone tried to pass some counterfeit black chips, all the other casinos will start verifying and scrutinizing the black chips from that casino. Yes, information like that is shared among competitors in these cases. 

When the call is made from the cage to the pit, sometimes the verification is as simple as, "Yeah, he was playing on BJ-02," but sometimes it also includes a name and a rewards number. If this bothers you, you can try to feel out the thresholds and avoid them by taking lower-denomination chips. But if the threshold has to do with the amount of money and not the color of the chip, it will be tough to avoid. It's one of those things players just have to deal with and navigate in whatever way feels best. 

APs, if playing anonymously or under a different name, are often asked for ID when cashing out for a lot of money. Most APs know better than to turn over an ID, which is often relayed to the pit and surveillance, among other places. Of course, if an AP is young enough that he or she might be ID'd for age-verification purposes, it has to be shown to get the money.

 

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  • Reno Faoro Jul-17-2022
    $100 blacks
    only time in my life , was questioned at HACIENDA , my buddy and 'eye' were asked where did these blacks come from , answer was the CRAPS table , we were paid ,so 3 people witnessed a MIRACLE , the 2 players cashing in and the cage person !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Only at the 'HACIENDA'.  

  • rokgpsman Jul-17-2022
    It's all part of the business 
    The casino knows it's annoying when the cage person questions you about chips you're redeeming. It's either a security thing about possibly stolen chips, or they're trying to identify big winners so they can keep an eye on them next time they play in case there's something improper going on. There's not much a player can do about this, if you get indignant or take steps to try avoiding the situation you'll probably bring attention to yourself and get even more scrutiny. The lady at the cage is just doing what she was told by a manager. If you've had some luck winning at the table games and not done anything wrong then don't worry about it. In the past it might get you a nice hotel room offer or other comp, but that's happening less these days. So smile when redeeming those large value chips and remember all the other times it didn't work out that way. 

  • Raymond Jul-17-2022
    No Big Deal
    I've been asked where I got black, purple, or orange ($1,000) chips, and rather than make some smart remark ("Commission from your sister"), I give the cashier the truth.  The cashier is just doing her/his job, and I figure that if they don't ask, they're risking their employment.  While I've encountered a few dealers over the years who deserved to be unemployed, I've yet to encounter a cashier whose conduct has been egregious enough to warrant it.
    
    As for verifying the count, it's usually based on how much you're cashing out.  I don't mind it unless no one comes over to verify and leaves me and the cashier hanging. There's one LV casino I no longer patronize because of intentionally leaving me and others hanging, and it's one of the more high-rolling places.  There are other reasons, involving dealer and pit boss conduct and attitude, but this was the final insult.

  • Fumb Duck Jul-17-2022
    Hassled at Pachanga
    Prior to the pandemic lockdown, I attempted to cash a $500 chip at the high limit cage. After verifying the embedded RFID, they asked to see my ID. I showed it. They then told me to remove the ID from my wallet. I refused, saying that I did not want my ID scanned. I requested return of the chip, and then asked the supervisor if I converted it to five blacks would they cash them. The supervisor said she would not answer that question. I took the $500 chip back to the blackjack table, asked for blacks and cashed out at a different cage.
    
    I play without a player's card at that casino. I am certain they wanted to track my activity to determine if I was a card counter.

  • Roy Furukawa Jul-17-2022
    No hassle 
    Not a big hassle considering you waited 15 minutes in a line just to see the cashier. (eye roll) The big strip casinos won’t flinch on $500 and $1k checks. 

  • O2bnVegas Jul-17-2022
    TITOs too
    My gambling BFF was asked for her ID when she went to cash a "large" (2K+) TITO at the cage.  The cashier wrote something from her DL on the ticket, then promptly paid her. Friend was a little rattled about it. I told her no big deal, just the way they do things to protect their money, property, customers, employees, etc.  And it might happen (chips or TITOs) sometimes and not at other times.  Casino's top secrets...LOL.
    
    Candy
    
    

  • Kevin Rough Jul-17-2022
    Cage going away question
    Recently there was a QOD if the cage was going away.  This should show that it isn't.