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Question of the Day - 16 December 2018

Q:

I'm a table-game player, blackjack and craps, and my question concerns how a person gets rated while playing. In the past when I sat down at a table, the floorman wrote down how much I bought in for and noted how much I was betting per hand. Occasionally during my play, he checked to see how much I was betting and wrote that down too. Recently, I read somewhere that now they write down how much you buy in for and rate your play as whatever the table minimum is. Example: you're betting $50/hand at a $25/minimum table, so they write down your play as $25/hand instead of what you're actually betting. On my last Las Vegas trip I was playing at a locals casino at a blackjack table and during play glanced over at the computer screen at my table and noticed they had my play at $25, where I was actually had been betting $50/hand all along. I've also noticed that the pit personnel don’t pay attention to the players as much as they used to. Can you please explain how table players are rated?

A:

[Editor's Note: As is our wont, we asked Andrew Uyal, our guy "behind the curtain," to tackle this one.]

The subject of ratings is a tricky one. Many variables affect how you’re rated.

One of those variables is the rating system itself. There are more different rating systems now than ever. Not that many casinos still rate manually (hand-written). Most systems now are electronic. Some of those enter the table minimum as your average by default when the rating is started. Some don’t give an average, forcing the floor to input something. In either case, it depends on the floor and how they judge your average. Most floors, whether manually or electronically, will start you at whatever your first bet is, then adjust from there.

Another big variable is the workload of the supervisor himself. Years ago, the floor person’s job description was explicitly: “protect the integrity of the game.” These days, they’re expected to do much more than just watch the games. In many places, their primary duty is providing guest service. Adding that to their existing duties of coordinating dealer breaks, keeping track of the money in the rack, watching for dealer mistakes, changing cards, and more has changed the way they do their jobs.

They’re also watching more tables than ever before. At one time, it was one floor for every four tables or so. Now, some are responsible for up to 10 games, sometimes even in two different pits. In situations like that, it’s tough to provide an accurate rating for all rated players in their section(s).

So if it seems like floor staff is paying less attention to your average, you’re probably right -- perhaps not for the reasons you thought, though.

What’s the solution? Simple. Ask.

No supervisor wants a player to constantly inquire about what his or her average is. However, if you approach the floorman at the end of your play and in a friendly way ask what your average is, he’ll tell you. If you disagree, the two of you can then work it out.

Be sure to do it tactfully, though, or you could end up doing more harm than good. A friendly player who understands the floor’s work load (or even just pretends to for the sake of a better rating) is likely to receive a more accurate, or maybe even higher, rating.

 

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  • VegasVic Dec-16-2018
    Craps
    It's even more scattershot in craps.  More players (at a full table), players come and go frequently and so many more bets.  As a player who makes a pass line bet and then places all the inside numbers I expect to be rated much higher than a player who makes a pass line bet only.  But am I?  Who the heck knows.  I see a lot of players who play for comps only.  They make sporadic bets but mostly just watch.  They'll make bets initially when the PB is entering their info but for the most part they don't.  Maybe an occasional buck on a hard way.  And then there's the players who make offsetting pass/don't pass bets.  To each their own.  In blackjack definitely make a few higher bets when you start off and you have the PB's attention.  Then go back to your smaller bets if you wish.  Bump it back up when s/he comes around.  Comp City is a good read about that. 

  • Randall Ward Dec-16-2018
    ratings
    I noticed this too, a lot of times your player card, even gold, will just lay there.  It helps I think to chat them a little so they notice you.

  • Roy Furukawa Dec-16-2018
    Craps ratings have gone down the cra...
    Craps is lousy for ratings because casinos only consider your front line bet only nowadays. If you put $25 on the pass and two come bets, it's a $75 average bet to them, even if you are taking full odds and may have another $350 out on the table where one '7' could wipe you out. Definitely not the best game to earn your comps.

  • VegasVic Dec-17-2018
    TIP the Dealers
    Sometimes the PB's will ask a dealer after you leave the table what you were betting.  So it never hurts to tip them from time to time.