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Question of the Day - 21 December 2019

Q:

Follow-up to the QoD on the drawbacks to valet parking, do the casinos carry insurance in the case of one of their attendants have an accident or the rental car otherwise incurs damage while they are in the possession of the car? I have to admit I frequently take rental cars to valets without a thought, but your answer today gives me pause.

A:

That QoD prompted several questions such as this one. We also received a number of comments, both posted publicly and sent privately, arguing that the casino or valet parking company (when the casino subcontracts out its valet services) is liable for damages to cars in its possession, no matter what it says to the contrary on signs in the valet area and right on the valet receipt. 

We don't know the details of casino/valet company insurance policies, but we can make an educated assumption that they're extensive and cover just about every contingency that lawyers, accountants, auditors, safety engineers, operations managers, risk mitigators, and, most of all, the insurance companies themselves can dream up out of their collective and feverish imaginations, paranoia, and profit motives. Casinos are sued regularly over all kinds of issues, so it would be foolhardy for even the smallest of them not to have the backstop that insurance provides. 

All that said, we'd argue that insurance isn't the point when it comes to valet parking. The point here is wiggle room, weasel routines, disappearing acts, and outright opposition, all of which are tricks they pull out of their hats to avoid admitting liability and paying out for damages. 

Oh sure, in the most egregious instances of damage to cars, a casino ostensibly can't stonewall, stall, deny, litigate, or otherwise try to worm its way out of taking responsibility -- and that's when the insurance company gets involved.

There's a funny story in Eyes in the Sky, a first-hand Las Vegas history book published recently that we've mentioned a few times recently. The morning after a big party in Elvis' penthouse suite at the top of the Las Vegas Hilton, bosses discovered a Cadillac in the parking lot crushed by a sandbag. The hood was caved in, the front end had toppled forward, the rear wheels were off the ground, and the engine was scraping the pavement. It turned out that a couple of drunks had tossed the sandbag off the roof of the Hilton during the party. 

The bosses manufactured a story about a construction accident for the benefit of the local press and bought the owner a new Cadillac. The real story remained hush-hush, with Elvis' name kept completely out of it. Then as now, what happened in Vegas didn't travel far.

No doubt the insurance company had a hand in paying for that new Cadillac. But as we said, that's in the least deniable circumstances. There was simply no way the Hilton could make that situation evaporate. But what about minor scrapes and dents, or even noticeable damage, to a car delivered by a valet parker?

First of all, how many of you inspect your vehicle closely when it's returned by a valet attendant? Be honest. Assuming you don't (and you just toss the guy a few bucks and are on your way), what if you notice damage later? The casino has all kinds of plausible deniability. Even if you do notice it in the valet area, can you prove that the car wasn't damaged when you dropped it off? 

This writer had an experience at valet parking at the old Lady Luck (now Downtown Grand): The valet attendant returned the car with a flat tire. If that's not noticeable, nothing is. He immediately disappeared; he didn't even wait around for a tip.

Now what? The valet supervisor "wasn't available." The bell supervisor said, "Talk to the valet supervisor." The general manager said, "Fill out an accident report." The valets just stared off into the distance, until one said, "Look, you need to move that car." 

Oh yeah? How?

A few minutes later, the car was up on a jack in the porte cochere area when security stormed out, in force. Think they cared about any claim that the valet delivered it undriveable? Think again. Instead, they demanded that the car be dropped immediately and driven off the property on the rim. Etc. etc. 

Legalese, liability, insurance, and even common decency are all well and good, but in the real world, it often takes a big fight -- meaning a lot of time, money, aggravation, and a major commitment to seeing justice served -- to sue casino, valet, and/or insurance companies over damages.

Okay. We're stepping down off our soapbox. Let's hear what you all have to say.   

 

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  • Jackie Dec-21-2019
    Move it Buster or else!
    I don't know if cell phones existed when you got your flat but the instant security appeared getting all belligerent and forceful I would have called for Metro to appear stating that I was being assaulted by a gang at that location.  Metro would have either allowed you to change the flat tire or call for tow truck assistance but you would not have to drive or move the vehicle off property causing further damages in front of paid witnesses thereby severely limiting property liability which is just one of many "weasel" tactics.  No law anywhere forces you to give way to anyone except emergency services.  A cell phone was your second defense as you start taking pictures of everyone and every view of the area and victemed tire then demand the presence of the property owner.

  • Reno Faoro Dec-21-2019
    insurance
    as GILDA RADNOR said ,'its always something ' .Frustration rules , welcome to  2019. Resposibility  is NOW a four letter word. Bring back HARRY TRUMAN.  

  • Jeffrey Small Dec-21-2019
    Take control!
    At a big hotel in downtown Atlanta.  Valet returned car by driving the wrong way to us.  Something wasn't right so I went to the other side of the car and discovered that valet had sideswiped a concrete pillar and the whole side of the car was deeply scraped.  Asked for the manager--he said "well take your car to your meeting and we will discuss it later"  No way!  Told him that we would take cabs and bill him and I'm getting hotel management involved!  Never touched the car again.  Rental car company billed the valet company (a subcontractor) for the damage and "loss of business use" of the vehicle.  Did not involve my personal insurance company at all.  Stand up for your rights if the valet is negligent!

  • Doug Bergman Dec-21-2019
    Disappointing 
    I read QoD every day and find it useful and usually well researched.  However this did not answer the question. Instead, it was a rant.

  • O2bnVegas Dec-21-2019
    answered well
    Second paragraph, first line:  "We don't know the details of casino/valet company policies..."
    
    That's the answer. 
    
    Some pretty good anecdotal stuff from the writer and other posters though, as usual.
    
    *Always have a can of Fix-a-Flat in the car.  And get a new can every 20 years or so, at least.  LOL.  I'm told some car manufacturers no longer include a spare in their new models.  But I digress.

  • Roy Furukawa Dec-21-2019
    Dash Cam
    If it's serious enough, I have an HD dash cam w/audio that goes on anytime the car is on. Hard to deny video evidence if they crash your car. Rental car companies would be wise to have a recorded feed from their vehicles, but I doubt they'd want to spend the money for the few times out of tens of thousands of rentals that something happens plus the hassle of privacy issues.

  • Rob Reid Dec-21-2019
    Parking Lot Damage
    I don't generally use valet service, but I have had a rental car damaged in a casino parking lot.  I can tell you what casino security will do about that--absolutely nothing.  You can fill out an incident form that is completely meaningless, but they will not let you view security camera footage to get the license plate number of the car that did the damage.

  • Larryk Dec-21-2019
    GKLL
    In the insurance world its called Garage Keepers Legal Liability...
    If someone has possession of your vehicle they're responsible, no matter what any sign says... And every company that's worth a whoot who will touch your car, has that coverage...