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Question of the Day - 19 February 2022

Q:

There's been lots of bluster and bragging about the Boring Co.’s Las Vegas Convention Center tunnels. Can you give us any updates on how it is actually working, especially during the CES show when there was reasonably high demand? Are the cars self-driving and how is that working out?

A:

[This QoD was written by David McKee.]

Las Vegas Review-Journal Editorial-Page Editor Steve Sebelius put us onto several sources of opinion on the Musk-y people mover.

For instance, British periodical The Independent gave it a slam. The headline proclaimed it a “death trap,” with a subhead reading, “It’s just a matter of time before a tunnel like this becomes the site of a horrible accident.” The story was provoked by a viral video on Reddit of a traffic jam beneath the Convention Center. Groused videographer RimealotIV, it was “a bunch people stuck in a narrow tube with no ventilation and a burning battery producing poisonous fumes.”

The Boring Co. website tries to reassure fearful commuters. “Loop tunnels are outfitted with emergency exits, fire-detection systems, fire-suppression systems, and a fire-rated first-responder emergency communication system. The systems are tested frequently with local police and fire departments.” It adds, “In the unlikely case that a fire does occur, the tunnel’s redundant, bidirectional, ventilation system will remove the smoke to allow passengers to safely evacuate.”

That’s all to the good. But there unquestionably have been glitches. At the time the video was taken, one of the three Convention Center stations was closed. Also, although Musk’s company touts commuting speeds of up to 40 miles per hour, traffic was shown moving at noticeably slower speeds 

The rides during Consumer Electronics Show (which drew a subpar 40,000 attendees this year) were all chauffeured — at least some of them. Tesla, maker of the people-mover cars, offered sample joy rides to CES attendees. The joy, however, was tempered by traffic jams caused by the sheer volume of conventioneers. (Imagine what a full-scale CES might bring.) 

Reported Vice.com, “The tunnel is narrow; there’s not a lot of wiggle room between the Tesla and the walls, and no walkways or shoulder to buffer any driver error. You probably wouldn’t asphyxiate from being stuck inside one, since they open to the air at the ends and Teslas don’t have emissions, but it would definitely be a claustrophobic experience to be stuck in traffic inside of one. There aren’t emergency walkways or handrails on the sides, so good luck walking out.”

And if one Tesla rear-ends another, all the cars behind them would have to back out of the tunnel.

At least one videographer, Brian Tong, had a positive Tesla experience, saying the people-mover was far preferable to traipsing across the Convention Center, which, thanks to an expansion to Las Vegas Boulevard, is now far vaster than ever before … not that it was ever exactly cozy.

Tesla drivers, by the way, are instructed to effuse over Tesla in terms that would make Xi Jinping blush. According to an instruction manual obtained by Vice.com, “Inspiring … motivating … a great leader” is how Mr. Musk should be described to passengers.

About the only voice raised loudly in praise of the tunnels themselves was that of the Las Vegas Review-Journal’s transportation writer, Mick Akers, who covered Day One of CES and reported, “By most accounts, it handled Wednesday’s convention traffic with ease.” Akers’ primary witness was not exactly unbiased, being Las Vegas Convention & Visitors Authority spokeswoman Lori Nelson-Kraft, who said, “Since the system debuted in June, customer feedback consistently ranks the Convention Center Loop as entertaining, innovative, and their favorite part of their convention experience.”

Akers’ eyewitness account was more sober, but generally concurrent: “There were no lines of waiting passengers and no backups in the tunnels. As one vehicle transporting passengers approached a station, another would exit one of the bays, allowing for seamless operations.” He added that the 4,400-passengers-per-hour capability of the people mover “was confirmed.”

User reactions run the gamut from steamy frustration to muted enthusiasm. Of course, when it comes to personal opinions, we place limited trust in those. For every negative one, there's a positive, so they tend to cancel each other out. But the only categorical affirmation over the performance of the tunnels is coming from the offices of the LVCVA itself. 

We haven't personally tried it out yet, so if anyone out there in QoDLand has, please tell us all about the experience in the comments.

 

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  • Bob Feb-19-2022
    Underwhelmed
    We used it one time During SEMA, Basically just cars driving in a tunnel. it did make the Journey from South Hall to North Hall pretty damn quick  and saved 20-30 min of walking fighting crowds, But I too wonder how long before there is an "Event" within the tunnels?  Remembering how fast things flood in certain areas durring a good couple days of Monsoon weather over the years!  

  • David Danto Feb-19-2022
    Here's a video tour
    I recorded the experience at CES as part of my coverage.  No opinions - just a video tour of the experience.  https://youtu.be/vBS-X7H9C0c

  • VegasVic Feb-19-2022
    Thanks David
    Good video, thanks for posting

  • tgabrielli Feb-19-2022
    Too gimmicky
    The Powers That Be should have opted for the tried-and-true, proven system: a subway system similar to that of NYC's. Subway cars are far more comfortable, roomy, quicker and hold a hell of a lot more passengers per car! WHY something so inferior as THIS?????????

  • Pat Higgins Feb-19-2022
    Big tex
    Never go to Vegas for a convention—thank goodness I am retired.  But I do go to play, eat & take the bride of 56 years shopping.  Vegas is never a working trip.  I also do NOT like to be under ground so will stay out in the open.  Most important no craps tables in the tunnels.

  • Dorothy Kahhan Feb-19-2022
    Great video
    We had always wondered what it was like. It was almost like being there.

  • Lotel Feb-19-2022
    Its Working 
    Thanks for great Video David. Looks like its working , I think the key will be to add more to the loop with more stops near casinos . 

  • Sandra Ritter Feb-19-2022
    Thanks for the Video
    Glad to see it in action. Coming from a city with a subway and elevated train system this seems to be poor use of funds. One driver can take 1 - 4 people?  A train with 8 cars holding 40 people each with one driver is so much more efficient. I saw lots of employees so the payroll for this must be astronomical, even at a low wage. I'm certainly not against people working but again there could be better use of the money. Do you tip the driver?  I assume yes and I'm not against tipping, in fact I tip more rather than less, but it seems another opportunity to tip in the city of tipping. I happy to read other views.

  • Tim Clark Feb-19-2022
    cool
    I used it at the Sema show. Loved it. Walked from south hall to north hall with people every where took about 45 minutes.Took less than 5 minutes by tunnel. Sure there was waiting time to get a car but not much more at worst 5 minutes. They traveled on average 30-40 MPH. All drivers I had were friendly.There was no tipping that I saw. 
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

  • AL Feb-19-2022
    ?
    I find this topic of drilling tunnels underground for subways to be totally boring.

  • thomas Feb-19-2022
    jethro
    I attended the World of Concrete trade show in June of 2021 and January of 2022 June of 2021 was smoking hot so taking a tunnel ride in an air-conditioned tesla was awesome. i have taken advantage of this service around 7 times during the 2 trade shows. Absolutely a thumbs up and I will be glad to get back to the trade shows for more rides. Do I think the tunnels are dangerous? I am much more concerned about crossing the street or driving in Vegas. Both can be very scary!

  • pfblas Feb-19-2022
    Great system
    I participated in the capacity test back in May last year. We didn't receive any training or instructions, they just told us to line up at a stop, step into the first available car and leave the door open after exiting. Usually there were 3 passengers per car, sometimes two and a couple of times just the driver and me. This went on for just over an hour and the goal of 4,400 passengers per hour was easily met.
    
    LVCC received bids for alternative systems such as an overhead tram like the ones operating between resorts on the west side of the Strip, but the cost would by far exceed the cost of running Teslas through a tunnel.
    
    The big plus about this system once expanded to the Las Vegas Loop connecting to Fremont Street and the airport is that it is point to point, just like Uber or Lyft, but without the usual traffic jams. People get into the car and it only stops at their destination, unlike trains and the Monorail. So you don't waste time waiting at each station in between.

  • Anthony Curtis Feb-19-2022
    Boring
    AL, I like that.