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Question of the Day - 24 September 2024

Q:

Today, I was reading that it was momentarily legal — an appeals court put it on hold — to bet on the November election. Not betting on a specific race, but betting on if the Republicans or Democrats would have a majority in the House or the Senate after the election. I think that maybe it was only legal in New York state. Do you have more information?

A:

[Editor's Note: This answer is written by David McKee, LVA's business blogger.]

If Americans could put wagers on the existence of God, they would. (Not that other cultures have much of a moral high ground in this matter, as we shall see.) Apparently, elections are not too important to bet on as though they were sporting contests, rather than having real-world life-or-death ramifications.

The courts seem to see nothing wrong with overturning decades of precedent by opening the electoral process to the kind of betting you might see on a football game. And if you think there’s too much money swamping the electoral process, wait until the betting markets get a hold of it.

Kalshi, which is a betting firm, not the Hindu goddess of triviality, petitioned a New York court to allow it to take bets on the electoral process. The Commodity Futures Trading Commission is, for perfectly good reasons, dead set against this. Kalshi wants an immediate resolution, pouting that the “Commission lost, fair and square, on the law. It should not be allowed to snatch a procedural victory from the jaws of defeat by running out the clock” until after the next election.

Kalshi claims, with a perfectly straight face, that it's being thwarted from providing a public service. As you stated, the initial bets would be straight up/down ones on who will control the House of Representatives and Senate come November 6. However, does anyone think Kalshi will stop there?

The CFTC says taking such wagers would be contrary to the public interest. Imagine people casting votes because they have money riding on it. It’s hardly what the Founding Fathers envisioned. Says the CFTC, such betting “could potentially be used in ways that would have an adverse effect on the integrity of elections or the perception of integrity of elections — for example, by creating monetary incentives to vote for particular candidates.”

The mainstream gambling industry is staying on the sidelines. That should give you an idea of how dicey this issue is. If Americans were allowed to bet on elections and it took off, though, you could be sure Big Gaming would jump in with both feet. After all, you don’t see any gambling CEOs speaking out against election wagers.

Right now, the issue is at the mercy of the calendar of the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, which wants to study the issue for itself. Not that this has stopped Kalshi from taking bets. As of this writing in mid-September, the GOP taking back the Senate is the underdog at +129.

An even bigger win for bettors would be if Democrats took the House, which would pay $154 on a winning wager of $100. You see how seductive this could be, possibly motivating people to vote against their own principles because they had money riding on it? What’s next? Pointspread betting on political races (“Trump by -2”)? Parlay bets on multiple races?

Already the nose of the political-corruption camel has been stuck into the tent by the betting process. The 2012 presidential election, according to the Los Angeles Times, seemed closer than it actually was, because a whale bet large on Sen. Mitt Romney (on illegal betting platforms) in order to create the illusion of a tight contest. And then there were wagers that singer Kid Rock would unseat Sen. Debbie Stabenow. So it can get pretty strange.

As for the contention that betting on elections is A-OK because Great Britain and European countries allow it, that doesn’t withstand the laugh test. The July snap election in Britain was roiled by multiple gambling scandals in which candidates and cabinet members were using inside information to place fraudulent wagers on the date of the plebiscite. Stranger still was the opposition Member of Parliament who bet heavily that he would lose his own seat. Is this really what we want for ourselves?

We should let the CFTC have the last word when it comes to Kalshi’s “sophomoric” argument that regulated electoral betting is superior to black-market wagering. “A pharmacy does not get to dispense cocaine just because it is sold on the black market.”

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  • Kevin Lewis Sep-24-2024
    Those problems notwithstanding...
    Suppose we had another Gore v. Bush election, where the outcome was decided not by the voters, but by the Supreme Court? Which side's bettors would win? Or what if Republican plans for the coming election were executed, to refuse to certify election results in battleground states and move the determination from the ballot count to the state legislatures? Who would win the bet then? For that matter, what if Trump lost, but a couple hundred thousand Trump bettors claimed that the election was rigged, and sued/rioted/killed to get their losing wagers paid off?
    At least with the Super Bowl, there's never any controversy about who actually won the game. Not so with elections, in our new post-apocalyptic MAGA world!
    And yes, my answer is political. It's a political topic. Deal with it.

  • AyeCarambaPoker Sep-24-2024
    Slight correction
    It was an opposition (Labour party) candidate (not a sitting Member of Parliament) standing in a very safe Government (Conservative party) constituency 

  • asaidi Sep-24-2024
    People switch sides....
    For the current bet that they want to make legal, there have been congressmen in the past who have changed sides - switched from Republican to Democrat or vice versa or switched to independent - so I could imagine seeing some congressmen switch so that who won the House or Senate changed if people were betting on it.  

  • Sledhead Sep-24-2024
    Just here for Kevin's Answer of the day
    That dude is sharp as tack, if you didn't know just ask him. He'll tell ya!

  • David Miller Sep-24-2024
    Apparently
     "TDS" is still alive.. When will the hateful lying stop?

  • jay Sep-24-2024
    Kevin…the real story
    Kevin the way I heard it…. Bush was the sitting president. 911 happened and Gore simply said “jobs yours”….. and left the building. 

  • sunny78 Sep-24-2024
    woke
    The woke ministry of truth club(remember that one Kev?) and their unhealthy obsessive of "everything is politics via my lens" can't stop their wokeness from being shared even though no one asked them. And their endless sharing of their woke views, naively thinking it will change the views of others on a gambling forum to their woke ideology is precious.
    
    Back to the topic at hand and kevvy's line: 
    
    -there's never any controversy about who actually won the game-
    
    Nonsense. What planet do you live on? Ever hear of a bad-controversial ref call in a game that indeed can effect the game outcome? Impact a bet because it prevented a touchdown, field goal, a win-loss? Superbowl or not, happened more than a few times. 
    
    Stick to your angry woke world Kevvy. Your know-it-all angry attitude is most impressive, to yourself, I'm sure. Your masters of division you honor so much would be proud you took not only the bait but the hook, line, and sinker. But parrot your woke talking points elsewhere.

  • black jack Sep-24-2024
    triggered?
    Doesn’t take much for the MAGAS to get their collective panties in a wad, does it, Kevin?

  • Bob Nelson Sep-24-2024
    Jay
    Huh?  The 2000 election had been decided one way or the other about 9 months before 9/11.  Gore was no longer hanging around in any 'buildings' to leave...

  • Kevin Lewis Sep-24-2024
    black jack
    Yeah, and utterly predictable--the MAGAs started squawking WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE like a parrot with an electrode up its butt.

  • Rob Reid Sep-24-2024
    Great Answer!
    I have always enjoyed David's contributions to LVA.  He is such an talented and entertaining writer.