Question of the Day - 30 October 2024

At this point your book probably won’t have much affect as the market is already becoming saturated with slot aps. With YouTube twitter and people selling courses it’s normal to be in places where you will see 10-20 aps where 4 years ago there might be 2-3.

I wouldn't call that impossible, especially in Vegas. It really depends on where you go and how much you know, though like you said, some places are already pretty tough.

How/where to watch(if no charge)?

As folks learn more about the Advantage Slots, it's going to be harder to "Vulture" them, because there will be more Vultures!

"On the other hand, a few casinos are actively removing as many of these machines as they can and banning APs on sight."
I'm curious to know who they are... 

With class II ocean Magic the bubbles disappear when you hit the spin button then appear again in different spots if they appear at all. So it’s not exploitable.

Not quite ready yet, and I'll defer to Anthony and Co. on everything with the video series.

Very true. No getting around that.

I'll come back to this one. I am not sure if I should here. I don't like to avoid questions, and this is a fair one, but I'm not sure if I should be posting about that.

Right. This is how it was described to me.

I can't wait to get the book. I hope this isn't too off topic, but I have to ask. Is Ben related to Lefty?

I wish! 

It's just like in the early days of banking slots. I remember visiting the Bellagio when it first opened; they hand hundreds of the new banking slots. They also had nudreds of vultures, perched on the ends of slot aisles. Fights frequently broke out when a player left and two vultures swooped down on that machine.

Going to a Vegas casino to find available AP slots is like entering the chimpanzee cage at the zoo and fighting with them for a single peanut.

Haha! Vegas is the most competitive slot environment out there, I'll give you that. There are AP machines as far as the eye can see and with that tons of people exploiting them. I can only speak about my personal experiences, and I've rarely seen or had any fights with fellow vultures/grinders/hustlers/whatever. Does it happen from time to time when two people are waiting on the same machine and get into an argument? Yes. But normally, whoever gets there first has the "right of way," and most people will respect that. Any conflict can usually be avoided with a quick conversation or even a wink. For instance, I may walk up on a promising play and not notice another vulture already got there first, waiting for the customer to get off. I always scan the area, so this is rare, but it still happens. If someone gives me a tap on the shoulder or an eye gesture, I'll know he isn't doing that because he likes my outfit. He's doing the same thing I'm doing and got there first, so I'll move on.

Would it be legal for them to do something like resetting the bonuses when a slot card is pulled, or when someone cashed out out runs out of credits?

I wouldn't rule it out completely. However, the machine would still need to pay back the same percentage to the player base at large. So if someone cashes out or runs out of money, if everything they were building on the machine completely reset to the lowest levels, that machine wouldn't be paying out enough money. Now, if I use my imagination, there could be ways to combat that. Maybe the machine could be programmed to trigger bonuses when it's early in the build and really hold out when it's toward the top of its build. Something like that could mitigate an advantage. But I think what you're describing would lead to too much carnage to the player base, as most slots will and should pay back in the 90 percent range.

I keep seeing AP and APS and it reminds me of Apps. Surprised nobody has done a Smart Phone App with a list of machines or take a picture or scan something on the machine. The app would give you strategy and when it is advantageous to play.  

An app would be a great idea. 

Is there or will there be a site similar to VPFree2, which lists locations and much more about VP machines, for AP slots?

Still to be determined, but stay tuned. I don't think we could include locations since these are all over the country and rotated constantly, but something like that would be useful. 

Thanks for ALL the info you've provided, including my question about your videos. Something tells me you'll be moving onto your own site, perhaps at the suggestion of lva

Everybody's discussing "advantage play" with respect to slots, but nobody is saying exactly what everyone's talking about. With slots, either (1) everything is fixed and there are no choices to be made, so you just bet credits and hit SPIN, or (2) there is something we can do, some choice to be made, to push the EV from under 100% to over 100%.  Only #2 could be an "advantage slot". But what slot machines are you talking about, and what choices do you make or what actions do you take to get to the advantage? I don't think we're talking about Double Diamond or machines like that. So what machines are you referring to, and what do you do with them to make them be advantageous?

With advantage slots, you bet credits and hit spin too. The only difference is you're looking for the "right" screen. To push the percentage from, say, 90 percent to 110 percent or 150 percent or whatever, you need to find the machine while it's in a positive state. What slots am I talking about? Hundreds of them have the potential to be pushed from negative to positive. I'll list 10 at random: Cash Falls, Jolly 8's, Duo Fu Duo Cai Grand (Ingotcha), Golden Jungle Grand, Blazing X Las Vegas, Wild Pirates, Lunar Disc, Lucky Buddha, Ocean Song, Rising Phoenix. You aren't making any special choices or anything once you sit down at these or any other AP machines. The "choice" has been made before spinning by identifying the screen to be in a positive state. I need people to play advantage machines at their low or mid point, build them up to a positive state, and then leave. But if I were to play these AP machines at the low point myself, I'd get killed just like anyone else would.

I should add that one advantage machine will have many different bets. All machines offer that. There might be an "advantage play" on the $2 bet on Ocean Magic, let's say, and all the other bets the machine offers are in a negative state at that time. So I'd spin the $2 bet until it falls below the 100 percent level and then leave. That is why you may have seen people coming up to a machine, flipping through all the bets and then usually leaving. They are looking for positive plays, usually not finding any, and then leaving to search for others elsewhere. I think I mentioned it elsewhere, but it probably bears repeating: I lose all the time on advantage plays just like people win all the time on random slot machines. It's a percentages game. Enough volume of plays over 100 percent will make it harder and harder for me to lose long term. And enough volume on random machines will make it impossible for the average player to win long term, even if they get lucky from time to time.

So what I have learned here is that if a slot machine like one of those mentioned, like Little Piggies (or what ever it is called) is not being played, then it is in a non-advantage state, and that is why no one is playing it.  So unless a machine has a crowd around it waiting for the player to leave, dont't play. 

A machine could be left unattended in an advantageous state on one (or more) of its bets. In Vegas with how competitive things are, that's sometimes not so easy to find, depending on the machine, casino and time of day. But I walk up on great plays all the time, even these days. It helps to know as many machines as you can since tons of people know how to play the popular advantage games like Regal Riches, Rich Little Piggies and the like.