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Question of the Day - 11 December 2019

Q:

Fixed rates for cabs from the airport to the Strip was reported by the RJ. Looks like it will start next year. Any comments? 

Also, I read that cabs would now charge a flat rate from airport to the Strip. How about to downtown?

Also, your link to the new poll that starts today on shopping in Las Vegas.

A:

In early October, the Nevada Taxicab Authority approved a flat-fare structure for cab rides from the airport to the Strip. When the new policy goes into effect, fixed rates will be charged by zone: From Sunset Rd. to Tropicana Ave. (Zone 1) will run $19; Tropicana to Flamingo (Zone 2) $23; and Flamingo to the Stratosphere (Zone 3) $27. The change will go into effect on January 1 for a six-month pilot program.

As far as we know, the flat fares don't extend to downtown. The closest you can get is Stratosphere in Zone 3.

Maybe we're missing something, but try as we might, we can't see anything wrong with this development.

First, it greatly increases fare transparency on the most popular taxi route in the city. As such, long-hauling between the airport and the Strip will now be next to impossible, at least as far as the fare is concerned. Whether a cabbie takes the tunnel, or goes direct to Tropicana and the Strip, or drives to Tonopah and back, the money owed by the passenger will be the same (time becomes the consideration, but it's now certainly in the driver's best interest to take the shortest and quickest route possible). 

Secondly, for years, traditional taxi companies have been steadily losing market share to Uber and Lyft, which can undercut prices by a wide margin, since they're barely regulated. Both ride-share companies have been servicing the airport since 2015, so this levels the playing field, to a certain extent, between cabbies and rideshare drivers.  

And third, since it's ostensibly a pilot program that will be reviewed when the six-month trial period is over, any unintended consequences for drivers, passengers, or cab companies can and will be revisited.

Seems like common sense to us, perhaps even a no-brainer. A quick search shows fixed fares in force between JFK and Manhattan, Fiumicino Airport and the historical center of Rome, Athens airport and the city center, and Orly and Charles de Gaulle airports and Paris. If it works for those, it should work for McCarran.

However, we assume that the questioner's request for comments includes those from QoDers, and not just us. As always, we'd like to hear what y'all have to say about the new fixed-fare policy as well. 

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  • David Liming Dec-11-2019
    Higher or Lower?
    For people who still use Taxi's, how do these rates compare to the current rates? Higher or lower? We haven't used them for a long time since they always were long hauling us.

  • Sandra Ritter Dec-11-2019
    Need More Zones
    They need to add a couple of more zones or lower the prices for the given zones IMO. I took a cab Monday, 12/2, from the airport to Flamingo, solo passenger. It was $21 before tip.  Five of us were in the cab going back to the airport last Monday and the fare for 5 from Flamingo to the airport was $25 before tip. Now it would be $27 without tip, and more for 5 passengers.  They seem to be raising the rates with the zone policy. Not sure that was intended.  I've never taken an Uber but I would consider it next time, although Uber will probably up it's rates once these rates go up. 

  • Sandra Ritter Dec-11-2019
    Long Haul
    @David, when I get in the cab at the airport I always say 'no highway', and they don't long haul me. 

  • Deke Castleman Dec-11-2019
    This in via email
    In September,  I took a cab from McCarran Airport to the Flamingo for $23.00 plus tip.  The new proposed rates are higher.  More people will take Uber/Lyft if this price hike goes into effect.  Don/ New Jersey

  • Dave Kamsler Dec-11-2019
    Too little too late
    The zones are a good idea, in theory.  But there's 2 problems.  The first is that the flat rates are slightly higher than what the regular, non-long-haul rate should be.  At least for certain areas within the zones.  The second -- and larger -- issue is that this is too little, too late.  The taxi industry should've done this 5 years ago.  At this point, many people have gotten fed up with getting ripped off and have switched to Uber/Lyft from the airport.  Simply no longer ripping people off is not going to get people to switch back to taking taxis from the airport, especially given the often long taxi line.  I have a little sympathy for the cabdrivers who are decent and honest, and I know some of them are out there.  But in general, I have zero sympathy for an industry whose business plan was to f*ck their customers for as long as possible, when that industry finally gets its comeuppance.  

  • Dave Kamsler Dec-11-2019
    Also....
    this is unrelated to the airport issue, but it's next to impossible to get a taxi if you're not at the airport or on Fremont or at a Strip resort.  Uber/Lyft have made it super-convenient to get a ride when you're off the beaten path.  Again, if the taxi industry is now suffering due to their unwillingness to service their customers properly, then boo-hoo for them.

  • Randall Ward Dec-11-2019
    taxis
    it's a wash for me since I stay at Excalibur.  now I pay about $20+ coming in and around $15 leaving. but won't have to worry about it I guess

  • Carey Rohrig Dec-11-2019
    A start
    To little to late, uber/lyft will continue to dominate 

  • Derbycity123 Dec-11-2019
    uber/lyft will continue to dominate untill
    Until Uber and Lyft are regulated more heavily, I think it is just a matter of time. And the owners(shareholders) of Uber And Lyft get tried of losing billions of dollars because they pay for 20 - 30 % of each trip.
    

  • Toni Armstrong Jr. Dec-11-2019
    Downtown shopping
    ABC Store, as well as the other souvenir stores, on Fremont Street Downtown!

  • Roger Gallizzi Dec-11-2019
    A Good Thing
    I fly from McCarren to another city at least once a week.  Virtually every taxi from the airport to the city has a flat fee (or by zones)  and it's usually posted either outside or inside the door.  I think this is a good thing.

  • Annie Dec-11-2019
    McCarran Taxi fares used to have a flat rate.
    On my early trips to Vegas from the late '80s to the late '90s, taxis used to have fixed rates from McCarran to the Strip and Downtown that were posted on the door of every taxi. The fare to anywhere on the Strip, like other costs for tourists in Vegas back then, was incredibly cheap, under $5.
    
    Because gambling as a percentage of tourist spending dropped in the 2000s, I understand why prices for hotel rooms, shows, casino coffee shops and buffets etc. had to rise as they could no longer be loss leaders for gambling but had to be profitable themselves.
    
    However, since the taxi industry never figured out a way to put slots in cabs, the economics of operating taxis didn't change when gambling declined. Yet taxi fares have skyrocketed even more than hotel rooms or meals. How Las Vegas taxis, a regulated industry, were able to pull that off has always perplexed me.

  • Timothy Grant Dec-11-2019
    Shuttle Bus
    The flat rate cab fares will have no affect on me.  I don't mind the extra time it takes and use one of the shuttle bus services.  $20-22 round trip to a strip hotel.  When the cabs match that I'll switch.

  • AlwaysTails Dec-11-2019
    No fees
    I'll consider taxis when they get rid of the $3 credit card fee.

  • [email protected] Dec-11-2019
    Rates
    The rates seem a little high to me.  I usually stay at TI, which looks like zone 3.  Generally I've been paying $21 or so for the street path and $25 or so for the tunnel - the difference being so minor that I really don't care which one they take - plus the tunnel is often faster. 
    
    I don't take Uber or Lyft since I don't have a smartphone, but wouldn't anyway since I don't trust them.  I know cabbies are fully licensed with police background checks - plus any issues can be reported since you have their name/license/cab # available.  No idea who's driving an Uber (might be someone with a string of DUIs) and there have been enough reports of crimes committed by drivers against passengers that until they have to go through the same rigorous licensing I'll take a pass.  

  • taittothli Dec-11-2019
    Vegas Resident
    Taxis are a free enterprise, if you arent making money, then get out of the business. This flat rate system eliminates competition. And competition drives the price to an honest level. How dare there be a law to eliminate competition, and make normal working folks get railroaded into paying excess fees to an already expensive world on the strip. Las Vegas is becoming a playground for the rich elite. Forcing people to pay these rates is absurd, most people like shopping for their best deals. 

  • Dec-11-2019
    Using shuttles
    I was going to inject the idea of using shuttle buses into this conversation, but Timothy G beat me to it. If you're going to the Strip, especially someplace near LVB/Tropicana or LVB/Flamingo, you'll be one of the first people let off. I'd consider the $20-30 savings worth it. It would only not be worth it if you were one of the last people off, and you would spend a large amount of extra time getting to your hotel. It's your choice whether the time or the money is more important. If you're arriving before 3pm, I'd say the money is more important, because your room might not be ready until 3pm anyway. But if you're arriving around dinnertime or in the evening, I can understand time being more important.

  • Mark Bashore Dec-12-2019
    Different advise?
    I wonder if the cabbies will rethink the "advice" that the tunnel is better if zone pricing goes into effect.