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Question of the Day - 23 July 2018

Q:

I know in the past I have had to have my Social Security card with me if I hit a big jackpot. That was in an Indian casino. Do you have to have your card with you in a Vegas casino?

A:

On any single jackpot of $1,200 or more, the casino must issue tax paperwork (the W-2G) to the jackpot winner; a copy also goes to the IRS.

But according to our book, Tax Help for Gamblers, by Jean Scott and Marissa Chien, no federal or state law requires a U.S. citizen to give printed proof of his Social Security number in order to be issued a W-2G and paid a jackpot. He or she can provide it verbally or in writing. To ensure that a player gives the correct number, the casino gives the player a W-9 form, Request for Taxpayer Identification Number and Certification. By signing this form, the player certifies, under penalties for perjury, that this is the correct Social Security number. This shifts legal responsibility from the casino to the player.

Now, you don’t have to give your Social Security number, if you have one; any number of U.S. citizens don't and some who do don't have it memorized. But if you don't give it up, the IRS requires that the casino withhold 28% of the winnings for federal income tax.

This most often comes into play when Canadians and other foreigners hit jackpots in the U.S. Obviously, unless they have dual citizenship, of which the U.S. is one, they won’t have a Social Security number.

"Some casinos seem to mix up Social Security cards and ID cards. You do have to show a valid ID or the casino can refuse to pay off a W-2G jackpot until you do. You do not have to show your original Social Security card. In fact, it is written right on your Social Security card that it is not to be used as identification," Jean and Marissa write in Tax Help for Gamblers. This is, as the question states, most common at Native American casinos, though whether it's a mix-up or something else, we couldn't say.

"What can you do if a casino doesn’t seem to be following the IRS rules and requires an original Social Security card? Ask to speak to a supervisor or even a senior casino executive. One player suggested carrying W-9 forms with you (they can be printed out from the IRS website) and giving one to the casino employee making this mistaken request. He said that some new and/or small casinos, especially Native American ones, don’t seem to know about this option."

By the way, Tax Help for Gamblers will be updated in a completely new edition by the end of this year to cover all the developments brought on by the new tax laws. 

 

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  • O2bnVegas Jul-23-2018
    had to show it
    Several years ago at Oaklawn race track (and casino) in Hot Springs, AR, I was denied payment of jackpot until I presented my actual SS card.  The casino was a fairly new addition to the race track.  I argued my case, asked for his supervisor, showed my Medicare card with my SS number.  No good, it had to be the actual card.  Luckily I didn't live too far away and was able to find my SS card at the house, return some weeks later and get the money.  I suspect they were unfamiliar with the proper procedure.  Surely I wasn't the first person to have hit a W-2G jackpot before me, and I doubt most players were carrying their SS card.  I haven't won over the limit there since so I don't know if that has been corrected, but just because of that incident I take mine with me if I go to Oaklawn.  Only place this ever happened to me.

  • VegasVic Jul-23-2018
    Don't!
    Never, ever carry your SS card with you.  Very dumb thing to do whether you are in a casino or anywhere else.  

  • Jul-23-2018
    Absolutely no one knows or comprehends the rules
    Case in point: Playing triple play .50 Triple Double Bonus at the Silverdumb in Vegas. Dealt AAAAJ, tossed the J, no kicker all three times (GRRRR!). Payout was $1,200. I argued, at length and unsuccessfully, with many casino employees and suits, that I had WON only $1,192.50 and thus should not have been issued a W2-G. I later confirmed with the IRS that I was correct, which was cold comfort.
    Lesson: don't believe ANYTHING a casino employee tells you about tax or withholding procedures, and for that matter, you should be skeptical of info such as where the nearest bathroom is.

  • ggeiger May-15-2019
    Indian Gaming
    Keep in mind most Native American gaming is on tribal land... State and Federal laws may not necessarily force you to present a Social Security card.. But.. the Sovereign nation of whatever tribal gaming facility you are visiting may have their own gaming laws that require a social security card to be present in order to claim the jackpot. When you visit an Indian gaming establishment.. You are technically visiting a foreign country. They may have their own set of laws in addition to Federal, and State jurisdictions.