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Question of the Day - 17 May 2021

Q:

My question relates to how a casino rates your table game play. Is there a minimum bet at a table that needs to be made for you to be rated at all? I seem to get wildly different amounts of reward credits at different casinos when betting table min at $10 and $15 dollar tables.

A:

[Editor's Note: For this answer, we went to our man behind the casino curtain, Andrew Uyal.]

As usual when we talk about rules, policies, and procedures at casinos, they all vary from place to place.

For example, it's not uncommon in the high-end Strip casinos not to qualify at all for a rating if you’re making a less than $25 average bet. If you’re hanging at the $10 or $15 tables, you might receive zero reward credits toward comps. That said, most Strip casinos rate all play, but the variables can be quite different.

It’s important to keep in mind that each different company likely has a different algorithm for calculating reward points. If you play the same game with the same average for the same amount of time at Cosmo, Wynn, Aria, and Caesars Palace, you’ll probably get four completely different ratings. 

Why? Well, the first and foremost variable is the supervisor doing the rating. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Table-game supervisors are busy people. Sometimes this works out in your favor. It’s quite common for a supervisor not to realize a player is gone until 10, 20, even 30 minutes after he or she has left the game. It’s possible to rack up points for that time when you aren’t even playing. Of course, the reverse can also happen. All table-game players are familiar with seeing their players cards sit on the pit podium waiting for the supervisor to get around to swiping it in, while they lose bet after bet and wonder if their play will ever get rated.

Even if a supervisor gets your time exactly right, what are you betting when he or she happens to glance at you? Whatever is it, it's likely to be your average. If you happen to be betting low in the heat of a big losing streak, you might get underrated. Conversely, you might be betting large when you’re pressing into a winning streak.

All this was covered in Max Rubin's classic book on ratings and comps, aptly titled Comp City. It's going on 25 years old, but the concepts still apply and it's still available as an e-book via Kindle ($9.99). Max, a former casino boss, highly recommends pushing out your biggest bets when you first sit down at a table and hand the dealer or floorperson your players card, which is when you're most likely to be sized up as a player by the supervisor. This doesn't always work, but if you're playing for comps, it's generally worth trying.

Meanwhile, it’s never a bad idea to politely ask the supervisor about your rating if you have any questions. The nicer your approach, the more likely it will work out in your favor.

There are a few other similar staff-related variables, but I won't get into those here. In my experience as both a supervisor and player, all these variables end up being a wash in the long run.

Is there an objective quantifiable explanation for your different ratings at different casinos or even the same casino? Probably not. Unlike at the machines, where your reward credits are based pretty much entirely on the money metrics, the fact is that ratings at table games are more subjective than not. So to a degree (sometimes large), this can work in your favor.  

 

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  • O2bnVegas May-17-2021
    Engaging can help
    I usually engage/chat with dealers and supervisors, say thank you, tip (of course), compliment their nail polish or jewelry, etc.  Overall try to generate good will among them and other players at the table. Makes it more fun for me, and if they help me a little, that's gravy.  I know they have cut me some slack on some occasion, not necessarily on rating me, but who knows.  
    
    Once a supervisor said "I'll back you up 30 minutes" when I changed tables, or something, and somehow didn't get my card put in.  I appreciated that she didn't question it when I mentioned that I'd forgotten to hand my card over.  
    
    Candy

  • Patrick May-17-2021
    Craps
    I’m interested in how they rate craps play. If you bet pass line with odds and place numbers, how do they decide the amount you are rated for. Is it the sum of your pass line and place bets? Does it include odds? 

  • VegasVic May-17-2021
    Comp City
    Rubin's book is good.  Some of it is out of date.  But he's right in that you should place somewhat larger bets when you first start to play. The PB enters how much you buy in for and will almost always glance over to you to see what you're betting.  And enter that initially.  Some will periodically come over and update but most of the time they don't. Especially at a busy craps table.  
    
    And if you change tables make sure you let them know. Craps players in particular often jump from table to table looking for "hot" dice. 

  • Kevin Lewis May-17-2021
    Tits and smiles
    As with so many things in life, from avoiding a traffic ticket to getting preferential treatment in a restaurant, deployment of female charms might have a positive effect on pit ratings. I suspect that placing one's bets with a blushing tee-hee might help, too. "Are the green ones worth $20?"
    
    I suspect that in Rubin's day, that would have been a crushingly effective tactic. As far as the present day goes--well, maybe someone has anecdotal evidence.

  • VegasVic May-17-2021
    Tips
    It doesn't hurt to make some dealer bets early on. 

  • Dave in Seattle. May-17-2021
    Its and tips.
    ALWAYS work well.
      Talk up the dealers so they KNOW you. Wear clothes that are YOU.
     Mt lucky yellow shirt is visible across the casino.
    The cocktail people KNOW what I drink.
      The dealers know how I bet on the line.
         A phun BJ table is a true pleasure!
     Hey! Play to have fun.
    Need money? Stay home and work.
    
    Ratings?
    $10 MINIMUM downtown. Strip? Good luck with that.
    
    NO rating on odds bets because there is NO house vig!

  • Roy Furukawa May-20-2021
    Craps name is appropriate
    When it comes to comps for craps, the name of the game says it all. You might be risking $100('s) on odds bets on one roll, but only getting credit for the line/come bets which will get you little in terms of your risk, especially because the odds bet is 3x, 4x, 5x your line/come bets.