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Question of the Day - 01 November 2018

Q:

When a crap table states that the minimum bet is $25, is the player allowed to split his bet -- for example, $10 on the pass/come line and $15 on the don’t pass/come? 

A:

[Editor's Note: Andrew Uyal, ex-crap dealer and advantage player, current floor supervisor, and author of our upcoming book Blackjack Insiders, answers this question.] 

This is a fairly common question and misconception about table limits, especially those games with multiple bets like craps or roulette.

If the minimum bet on the crap table is $25, that means $25 per bet, at least on the main game (I’ll get into that in a second.) If you want to play both the pass and don’t pass lines, it will cost you $50. The minimum will be the same for all the place bets, come bets, lay bets, etc.

The proposition bets, which consist of everything in the center of the table, have lower minimums, typically $5 on a $25 game. On a $10 or $15 game, the props will typically cost just $1 each.

The way to remember which bets cost more is as follows. Everything in front of the stick man, in the center of the table, is considered a prop bet and will have a lower minimum. Everything in front of the base dealer (the dealers on either side of the table) must meet the posted minimum requirement.

I’d like to add that playing both sides as stated in your question isn't advisable. It’s a similar situation to playing both red and black on roulette.

Take the come-out roll. The bets will hedge themselves on 2, 3, 7, and 11. But on a 12, you’ll lose the pass Line bet and push the don’t.

Roulette is a little more obvious. Betting both colors will result in a push or losing on the zero/double zero. Covering the zero also doesn’t help because something has to lose. 

The house has the edge on both bets, so every time you bet both ways, the vig is grinding you down down down.

 

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  • Kevin Lewis Nov-01-2018
    Technically...
    $15 on the Don't Pass and $10 on the Pass would carry the same exact negative EV as a $25 bet on either one. Dumb, yes, but technically, no dumber than playing the game in the first place.

  • Pat Higgins Nov-01-2018
    pat higgins
    Hedging a bet which is what the questioner suggests is never a good move.  If you do this--bet both ways--you have doubled the house edge which is not smart.  That's why betting the pass line with a craps check bet is a long term losing move.  Just a thought from the peanut gallery.  

  • That Don Guy Nov-01-2018
    Actually...
    Pass has a slightly higher house advantage than Don't Pass.
    
    I am assuming the asker is under the impression that if you bet, say, $10 on Pass and $10 on DP simultaneously, the casino considers it a total bet of $20 for purposes of earning comps.  I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way.

  • Nov-01-2018
    Toward Full Understanding
    Not to cut anybody down, but I think the QoD Answer and the reader responses both lack a little something.  In the Answer, Andrew doesn't clearly show that he understands that what the questioner is trying to do is to be betting only $5 (net) on each decision instead of $25. He would likely be alternating wins and losses (with most streaks being 1 or 2 or 3 wins or losses long) except that every 36th roll (on average) he would lose/push when a 12 is rolled.  So he would really be a $5.07 player instead of a $25 player. For Kevin: despite the fact that the house edges would be the same, the point is that a streak of wins by Pass or a streak by Don't Pass could wipe out the bettor and prevent him from earning his room. By near-hedging the opposite bets, he's only going to be able to lose $5 per decision (except every 36th decision when a 12 is rolled), so it will be very difficult to get wiped out. I myself once won the Pass Line 8 times in a row, so these streaks are quite possible.

  • Kevin Lewis Nov-01-2018
    Rating
    Al, unless the floorman is a total moron, he won't rate that player as a $25 bettor, but rather, a $5 bettor.