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Question of the Day - 10 January 2024

Q:

If one wanted to make a really "out there" sports bet, something like the Seahawks will win the next three Super Bowl games, how would one go about doing that? Would a sports book take the action? How would they determine the odds? I can't imagine being able to walk up to the counter and place that kind of bet. 

A:

Chris Andrews, author of our books Then One Day and Then One Year and director of the South Point sports book, tells the following story.

In 1989 when Jimmy Vaccaro was the sports book manager at the just-opened Mirage, Hamburger Jack from Dallas asked him, “How many games do you think the Cowboys will win this year?”

Jimmy said, “Come back tomorrow and I’ll have a price for you.” Then he looked over the schedule and made his number.

When Hamburger Jack returned the next day, Jimmy told him, "Six and a half."

Hamburger Jack slapped $38,500 on the counter and said, "I'll take the over." 

It was the first bet on season-win totals, the very first of its kind.

Now every sports book has season-win totals on virtually every sport. Jimmy Vaccaro had invented one of the most revolutionary developments in the sports betting business. But that was then and this is now.

Generally speaking, sports books book bets that they place on their odds boards. They figure out their lines, post the odds, and see which way the wind blows, moving the lines when necessary. So you're right that you couldn't just walk up to a ticket writer at a sports book counter and offer such a proposition; the clerk would never make a decision like that. If a bet's not on the board, he or she would certainly kick it "upstairs." 

Also, today, with huge corporations running the majority of sports books around the country, you'd probably have to go through layer after layer of management to offer an out-there proposition like Hamburger Jack did and the answer would probably come back no. Might some decision maker at an independent book or two consider it? Here's what Chris Andrews says.

"It’s possible, but I think most bookmakers would turn it down. The odds could be figured: Simply multiply the current odds to what you think the future odds would look like. Westgate's Superbook did something like this with Tiger Woods, but it didn’t write any business on it. It was more something the media picked up on, but they quit doing those sort of things."

 

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  • Kevin Lewis Jan-10-2024
    Bean counters
    This is a great comparison of old Vegas vs. corporate Vegas. The latter runs casinos but abhors actual gambling. Gotta keep those profits rolling and the shareholders happy, even if it means being chickenshits.

  • Bob Jan-10-2024
    1-15
    and The Cowboys Sucked up the rear of the pack in 89. 

  • Dave Jan-10-2024
    OUCH
    Bob is correct, Dallas did go 1-15 that year. Hamhock Jack got his bacon stolen on that one. 

  • Deke Castleman Jan-10-2024
    Actually ...
    The Mirage opened in late November 1989. Ham Jack approached Jimmy in early 1990 to make a line on the Cowboys in the 1990-1991 season. Jimmy Johnson was the new coach under new-owner Jerry Jones. Cowboy fans fell under the spell of Jerry and Jimmy's Texas-sized bluster, promising big things for the team that went 1-15 in the past season. So the 1989 in the answer is slightly off. The Cowboys were 7-9 that year and Jack won the first season-wins futures bet. 

  • Frank Dellarosa Jan-10-2024
    Online video poker
    I have always questioned its honesty. Where do you stand?

  • John Jan-10-2024
    Hamburger Jack
    Now I want to know more about this "Hamburger Jack" fella!

  • VegasVic14 Jan-10-2024
    Frank Dellarosa
    Are you asking if the pay tables are legit or are the apps  themselves legit? Locally, the FanDuel app is affiliated with Detroit's Motor City Casino and I have had "better fortune" online than in the casino itself... with identical pay tables. Not sure what this proves, but it is what it is.

  • Ken Orgera Jan-11-2024
    1 and 15
    Jimmy J. first season 1 and 15!!!