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Question of the Day - 21 June 2021

Q:

A $1 VP machine requires a $5 bet to qualify for a $4K win for a Royal. Forty-thousand hands have to be played to get to that royal, if every hand played actually lost that would be $200K down the drain trying to get $4K. I know, that would never happen. However, my question is this. What is the difference in bankroll loss pursuing that $4K with your touted perfect play and ordinary absolutely no knowledge of proper play, otherwise known as expected profit over bankroll loss between the two styles of play.

A:

[Editor's Note: This question was submitted with the request that Bob Dancer answer it, and so he does.]

It's far easier to ask such a question than it is to answer it. There are way too many variables to give you a simple answer. But I can tell you how you would find out that answer for yourself.

“Perfect play” is fairly easily defined, at least by computers. At some games, like 9/6 Jacks or Better, perfect play is rather easily obtainable; at others, like NSU Deuces Wild, perfect play is so elusive that probably less than one in 1,000 players obtains it. I know I don’t achieve perfection, although I come much closer than most other players do.

The problem is what you call the “ordinary absolutely no knowledge of play” level. Is that 2% less than perfection? 3%? 5%? It clearly varies among players and among games. Joker Wild games, for example, are far more difficult than, say, Double Double Bonus games.

Even when we define a given level of play, the bankroll required is not a single number. Bankrolls are defined with respect to certain chances of going broke, called “risk of ruin.” If it takes a $5,000 bankroll not to go broke 90% of the time, it takes a $10,000 bankroll not to go broke 99% of the time and a $20,000 bankroll not to go broke 99.9% of the time. So what level of risk of ruin do you want?

Presumably, what you want to know is not how much bankroll is needed for someone with absolutely no knowledge of play, but rather, how much bankroll do you need with your less-than-perfect knowledge of the game. (If this isn’t what you want to know, I don’t know how to help you.)

So the first step is to measure your skill level. Using Video Poker for Winners or other software, you can play 1,000 hands and get a reasonable estimate of how well you do. I’m not looking for the percentage of hands you play incorrectly, but rather the size of the errors you make. VPW calls this “return %” and you’ll find it in Analyze —  Overall Play —  Return —  return %.

Let’s say, hypothetically, you play at a 99% accuracy level. That would mean for 9/6 Jacks or Better, which normal returns 99.544%, you’re playing at 98.55%. That happens to be fairly close to the return of 8/6 Jacks or Better (actually 98.39%).

So using Video Poker for Winners, I'd look at the bankroll requirements for 8/6 Jacks or Better. If you play at 98% accuracy, I’d look at the bankroll requirements for 8/5 Jacks or Better.

If you make only a half-percent in errors, I’d look at both 9/6 numbers and 8/6 numbers and split the difference. It’ll be close enough.

This will work for any game covered by VPW. You can set it for any risk of ruin level you like and any denomination.

 

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  • Jackie Jun-21-2021
    A little confusing
    But it seems you are saying to play VPW to get your return % and if you are not in the 99+ % category, don't play, as you will lose more than you can win.
    
    Is that correct Bob?

  • Gregory Jun-21-2021
    QOD
    There is no law, legal or otherwise, that guarantees that as royal flush will appear once in 40k hands. It could come up multiple times, or it may not appear at all in that window.   The game is random  The cards are random.  Player skill is factor, but I know several instances of "non-poker" players who sat down to a machine and got a royal flush with little to no effort.  What it really boils down to is being at the right place at the right time, and lots of luck.

  • Randall Ward Jun-21-2021
    vp play
    I think question was implying it didn't matter and wanted an answer to confirm it.  I have seen people who only go for royals, but that can lose fast

  • Kevin Lewis Jun-21-2021
    Meaningless
    The question is unanswerable as written, because "not perfect" play can vary dramatically. Take a starting hand of 33AJ9 at JOB. The optimal play is to hold the threes. If one didn't make the optimal play, one could hold the AJ, hold 33A, hold the A alone, or even hold the 9 alone...and that player's EV would depend on just how severely non-optimal his plays were. There are many errors that cost a fraction of a penny (such as ignoring penalty card considerations). So one has to know exactly HOW non-optimal one's playing decisions are before it can be said how those decisions affect bankroll.