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Question of the Day - 26 January 2018

Q:

I was walking through the Wynn Casino blackjack pit areas and noticed that in none of them did they list the blackjack rules. There is no way to tell if the game is 6-to-5 or 3-to-2. I’m sure they would tell you if you asked, but it’s almost like they do not want people to know their bad rules. Is this legal? You would think that gaming would make them at minimum do this? 

A:

[Editor's Note: This answer is written by Arnold Snyder.]

This is nothing new. Gaming does not require casinos to post rules and payouts on blackjack games.

In Reno, it was always more common for casinos to post their BJ rules. I believe this is because most (not all) of the single-deck games were double on 10/11 only and dealer hits soft 17 – both uncommon in Las Vegas (up till 10 years ago or so).

But many casinos in Vegas do not list rules or payouts on their BJ tables. Often, you would learn if a game allowed resplitting of aces or doubling after splits by either asking or attempting to do it and seeing if it was allowed. Some casinos allow players to play multiple simultaneous hands, but the number of hands allowed is sometimes two, sometimes three, sometimes up to six, but I’ve never seen that option listed on a table.

At one time, the Vegas casinos listed "unusual" rules -- like weird side bets -- since so many rules in Vegas were more-or-less standard. For example, they always used to put a sign on a table if BJ paid 6-5, just to keep players from getting PO’d at them. That 6-5 payout was considered too weird not to announce. I guess so many handheld and shoe games are 6-5 now that the casinos no longer feel any need to announce the short pay. I wasn’t even aware that Vegas casinos had stopped posting 6-5 payout alerts.

According to Stanford Wong's Current Blackjack News, Wynn has six double deck and a few dozen 6-deck games. The $50+ minimum 6-D tables pay 3-2 on naturals, but all the lower $10- and $15-minimum tables pay only 6-5. I guess they now feel that players accept 6-5 BJ payouts as normal, even on shoe games, so no need to post it. Those 6-deckers at Wynn with the 6-5 BJ payout have a house edge of close to 2% off the top.

And people wonder why blackjack has been losing popularity.

 
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  • Dave Jan-26-2018
    WYNN BLACKJACK
    And with this knowledge i will never set foot into Wynn to play BlackJack. Of course, it is starting to get worse at all the strip casinos. Guess that is why i only play at Locals or Downtown.

  • O2bnVegas Jan-26-2018
    Blackjack rants
    And the more this is discussed here and on similar forums, the more 'locals and Downtown' casinos will find it useful to make those same changes to increase their profits.  Years ago LVA posters raved endlessly about the good VP schedules, and look what soon happened.  Casino management reads these things too, people.  Guess what, they just laugh at the "I will never" rants. That is my belief, anyway.  
    
    Some dealers at other places will give a player a dirty look if he/she (me) mentions playing tables at Wynn, after Mr. Wynn started allotting a portion of dealer tips to the pit supervisors, apparently in response to the supervisors complaining about the disparity.  I've had dealers tell me "Please don't play at Wynn" because of that.  I guess there is solidarity among the dealer community.  But I digress.  Sorry.   

  • Jackie Jan-26-2018
    Cheating
    The real reason BJ is losing popularity is due to casino cheating.  When advantage players get banned for the legal activity of card counting, non card counters realize that the game is rigged for them to lose.  The same is happening with video poker for perfect play advantage players who are also doing nothing illegal.  Casinos are greedy, just look at their employee pay and benefits opposed to their profit margins and overpaid and benefited upper management. Resort and parking fees, overpriced hotel rooms compared to non casino hotel rooms which is driving out of state customers away.  Their greed is killing their business. Instead of adapting to the times they are trying to maintain old profit margins, maybe because of maintaining stock price or or avoid upper management pay cuts but it's all bad management as the cause.

  • That Don Guy Jan-26-2018
    Nothing new about this
    When I was in Vegas in the middle of 2015, I noticed that the Cosmopolitan, the Aria, and most of the Caesar's properties didn't post what blackjack paid on their tables.  I wouldn't be surprised if it was so they can switch between higher-limit or card shuffling machine 3-2 to single/double deck 6-5 as conditions warranted.  Of course, today it's pretty much safe to assume that all blackjack on the Strip, except maybe in "high roller rooms," is 6-5 and dealer hits a soft 17.

  • Mr. Seafood 21 Jan-27-2018
    BJ 3/2 OR 6/5
    I have not played at Wynn in a few years, but I can say that ALL Caesars properties and the MGM properties I have played at ALL have the payout listed. Some tables actually have it printed on the felt, but most tables it is ONLY on the small sign that has the table minimum listed. Across the bottom of the sign it states if the table is 3/2 or 6/5. It is listed in VERY SMALL print that can't be read if you are more than 2 feet away(unless you have 20/20 vision) and you have to be looking for it. My guess is this is the same at Wynn. Downtown at THE D and Golden Gate they have the payouts listed the same way. Bally's has four 3/2 tables (8 deck shoe) & one Double deck & the rest are 6/5. Paris I believe has six 3/2 tables(shoe) plus a few double deck with no double after split and Flamingo has five 3/2 tables of which two are 8 deck shoes and three are double deck with NO double allowed after split. Everything else is 6/5. It gets worse at MGM properties.. to be continued.