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Question of the Day - 03 April 2020

Q:

A certain locals casino chain has a few banks of poker machines labeled “100% Payback.” There is an advisement on each that the slot club benefits are limited. Even so, why aren’t these always being played hard and heavy by the pros? I know there must be a reason. 

A:

[Editor's Note: The best person to answer this question is Bob Dancer, so he did.]

You’re right. There's a reason most pros aren’t playing these games heavily. It’s because they're not good enough! The games you’re talking about are barely higher than 100% -- with very limited slot club benefits.

Let’s look at 10/6 Double Double Bonus with no slot club, as an example. The game returns 100.07%. If you’re a quarter player playing 800 hands per hour ($1,000 coin-in) and can play this game perfectly, you’re set to make 70 cents per hour. Dollar players, playing four times as much and hitting taxable W-2Gs on aces with a kicker (every 19,000 hands) and royals (every 40,000 hands), make $2.80 an hour.

Assuming that when you say "pro," you mean a player who makes his or her living gambling, it’s tough to live on $2.80 per hour.

Long ago (i.e., way back in 2019 and before), there used to be Full Pay Deuces Wild (100.76%) in several of these casinos for quarters. Playing at the same speed as above, you can make $7.60 at this game. Assuming you have Social Security coming in, and maybe a pension, you can live on that, albeit very frugally. And many senior citizens did. But those games are largely gone now -- except maybe at Sam’s Town and a few other places.

I basically don’t leave the house to play games for less than $25 per hour. That amount is not obtainable playing these 100% machines. It can be made, though, playing lesser games for higher stakes during promotions, including point-multiplier days. It includes progressives, which can average that much and more, but with much larger swings. That $25 per hour includes mailer benefits.

Where those games exist varies from month to month. Many of them would be ruined by being publicized as a “$60-per-hour game.” For this reason, I’m not naming them. You can find them yourself. They're definitely out there.

 

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  • Apr-03-2020
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    I'm not sure why the identity of the locals casino chain being discussed is being treated like a secret by both the question writer and Bob Dancer.  It's not a secret.  All you have to do is look at the vpFREE2 Website and you will have known what great games were available at what casinos around Las Vegas, and discerned that the casinos were Stations casinos.  I also don't know why Mr. Dancer is on the bandwagon that's been perpetuating the false notion that the Stations casinos had Full Pay Deuces Wild (100.76%) but did not have Full Pay Joker Wild (100.65%).  After the removal of the last Downtown Deuces machines at El Cortez (100.92) and the Sam's Town Deuces (which I believe was 100.94%), FPDW & FPJW were the last super games in town, and they were co-offered on the same machines.  Why anybody would want to aver that Stations casinos had, and then removed, just one of those 2 games is a true mystery.  Stations casinos had both games, and now they have removed both games.