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Question of the Day - 08 May 2024

Q:

I have played craps in Canada, England, Australia, the Caribbean, on many cruise ships, and all over the USA. Northern Nevada seems to be the only place in the world that bars the number 2 instead of 12 on don't pass and don't come bets. Why is this?

A:

[Editor's Note: For this answer, we consulted Dennis Conrad. Dennis is a long-time friend of LVA whose name might be familiar to those who caught his Jackpot of the Week on our YouTube channel a few weeks ago. He's also a former crap dealer and supervisor who worked his way up the corporate-casino ladder to C-suite positions in casino marketing. And he's lived in Reno for a couple of decades and plays craps there fairly frequently. Here's what he had to say.]

By way of explanation for non-crap players, on a don't pass or don't come bet, if the come-out roll is a 2 or 3, the bet wins even money. If it's a 7 or 11, the bet loses. If it's a 12, it's a push.

In Reno, as the question states, it's different. Instead of 12 being a push, a come-out roll of the 3 or box cars (12) wins, while a come-out roll of snakes eyes (2) is the push.  

I can tell you that it's been this way for at least 50 years and probably forever. As for why, however, I don't know and I doubt that anyone does. 

Maybe because whoever started it in ancient times wanted Reno to be different than Las Vegas? Or they wanted to change the negative connotation of snake eyes? Or because they worked with a lot of older crap dealers who had a hard time seeing and counting 12 spots on the dice? Or some superstitious Reno crap supervisor thought 12 rolls more often than 2? Or whoever installed the first crap table in Reno read the rules wrong and got it backwards? Or?

I reckon veteran crap players like myself can come up other reasons. How about it, vets? 

 

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  • hawks242424 May-08-2024
    Confused
    In most places 2/3 wins on the don't and 12 pushes.  In reno the 2 pushes and the 12 loses, therefore only the 3 wins?  This has to change the edge more towards the house no?

  • Artie May-08-2024
    Confused too
    I’m confused too, “ Instead of 12 being a push, a come-out roll of box cars (12)”, is this just a mis-print or does 12 really lose rather than win?

  • Deke Castleman May-08-2024
    clarification
    It was confused in the answer, which has been corrected. In Reno, switch the 2 for the 12; 3 and 12 win, 2 is the push. Thanks for the eagle eyes.  

  • Reno Faoro May-08-2024
    craps 
    crappola--  good goin CASTLEMAN --- I WAS GONNA BLAME MY FRIEND , FROM DEARBORN , GRAD (?), LOL , OF FORDSON . !!!!!!!!!!!!!  PEACE .

  • Halcyondays May-08-2024
    Is Time A Factor?
    Does anyone know the history of "Don't" betting?  When, and where, did it begin?  And how did it spread?  Surely, this must have been                           a gradual process.  Was there a learning curve to arrive at the current rule of twelve (or two) pushing?  Did some or all houses begin pushing on three to improve their edge?  Considering house proclivities, I bet there were quite a few who tried that.
    Returning to the total picture, was the "Don't" option common in the illegal houses prior to the 1931 legislation?
    Probably, as Mr. Conrad says, all is lost in the fog of history but I think these are interesting questions.

  • Cyclone99 May-09-2024
    history
    According to wikipedia, a Philadelphia dicemaker created the Don't layout in 1907. It helped to insure that fair dice were used, because gamblers could now bet on either side.