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Question of the Day - 24 December 2024

Q:

In a News item today, you write about a $2.9 million jackpot hit at a Seminole casino in Florida. You say that it wasn't an advantage-play machine, so you assume that the player was a slot whale taking a long shot. My question is, how common is it for a player like this to actually hit the jackpot?

A:

[Editor's Note: We put this question to Ben Rosenthal, author of our upcoming book Breaking the Slot Code. Here's what he had to say.]

One lucky, and I have to assume very rich, player smashed a Dragon Link jackpot worth a staggering $2,856,079 at Seminole Hard Rock Hollywood in south Florida, betting a whopping $250 per spin.  

Now, if you're betting $250 per spin, you're much more likely to hit something that big than an average Joe wagering $1 per spin. That's the case on any slot machine.

As for how common it is, it's impossible to know for sure, but my opinion is: not very. Many if not most of these giant jackpots are publicized by the casinos and manufacturers and, in my experience at least, they're few and far between. In this case, the minimum bet on that Dragon Link machine was $25, so $1 wouldn't apply. But it's the overall point: bet big, win big, lose big.

You didn't ask, but other questions remain, which I'll tackle as best I can.

First, could this be an advantage player who just popped something enormous? Doubtful. Dragon Link isn't an advantage play slot machine, so in theory no AP should or would be playing it in the first place. I've seen some advantage players get bored and gamble on non-AP games, but it would be an ultimate spew job to be doing this while betting $250 per spin.

The mystery player is most likely someone who bets at this nosebleed level with some frequency. Most mere mortals aren't able, financially or emotionally, to stomach that kind of action with any regularity. Yes, some people may bet $5 per spin and every now and then throw in a $25 Hail Mary, but we're still a long way away from $250.

I'll go off on a tangent, because why not? I follow a bunch of casino pages on Facebook and I'm often left wondering who's in charge of their marketing. Many pages will include photos of jackpots from the previous day or week and they often have one thing in common: huge bets. It's not impressive to me or the many people who comment when someone betting $25 per spin hits a jackpot for $2,500. Nice hit, sure, but when you're betting that much, you're likely losing three or four times that much in one session.

Now, $2,856,079 is $2,856,079 any way you slice it, but I've seen true high-limit whales not bat an eye after winning six figures. That's because they're stuck 10 times that.

But back to what we know from the limited info given so far: According to PR Newswire, "The $1 Million Dragon Link by Aristocrat Gaming jackpot in the casino's high-limit slots area started at $1 million and increased independently from other Dragon Link slots at Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Hollywood and elsewhere."

Could someone have noticed the nearly $3 million top prize, known it resets at $1 million, and reasoned, "Wow, that's nearly three times the reset. I should give it a shot!" Quite easily. But for there to be an actual advantage, it would need to be much much higher than $3 million. And even then, we're talking about lotto percentages, even at that huge bet. It would be like if an actual lotto ballooned to a certain point where it may be +EV to buy a ticket. But if each ticket is $250 per, most people would go broke many times over before hitting it.

So the best that can be said about the player is that he/she is a slot whale taking a shot at the progressive and certainly earning stratospheric comps in the process.

 

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  • David Miller Dec-24-2024
    Just Dumb Luck
      Right time, right place - that is all it was.

  • O2bnVegas Dec-24-2024
    "spew job"
    OKAY, another word/phrase new to me.  What is a spew job?  Thanks.
    
    Candy

  • Edso Dec-24-2024
    Candy
    I take it to mean throwing money away...... as spew means to expel, so just reason that spew job means to expel or throw something out, in this case money....at $250 a spin. 

  • stephen rosol Dec-24-2024
    it just happens
    Can't win if you don't play, can't lose if you don't play.  I know there is mostly no logic or strategy to slots--just plain luck

  • Eileen Dec-24-2024
    Slot influencers
    Once or twice a year I get to Las Vegas and I only play slots.  It's strictly for entertainment as I'm one of those "never come out ahead" people and I'm a low roller.  Since I don't get to the machines often I now watch some of the influencers' videos.  You can actually gain a decent amount of info on how the machines play and pay.  (Anthony and Andrew - great interview with Vegas Matt.  I'd never seen any of his videos.)  In my influencer video viewing I've only seen one video from a win at Caesars and a couple at MGM properties.  They're mostly from Resorts World and some from Cosmo and Venetian/Palazzo.  Is there a place you can go to find out all the jackpots by individual casinos?  Seems like those videos are a pretty good "tell" on where the tightest slot machines are.  Maybe a reader's poll on where the best and tightest slot machines are on the strip.  I haven't seen a reader's poll in a long time.  Am I just missing them?

  • Hoppy Dec-24-2024
    Re: Eileen 
    Good question 

  • grouch Dec-24-2024
    re: Eileen
    would be a interesting survey amd interesting what LVA would say.
    .there are a lot on you tube you can watch one that is good ropethejackpot.com and he gives a lot of good advice to
    
    all habe a good holiday 

  • Eileen Dec-26-2024
    re:  Grouch
    Thanks for the website info.